Saturday, March 05, 2016

has the church forgotten the Gospel?

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As a result of my post on Trump I was accosted by rabid fundamentalists on a blog who called me a liar and said I'm a "leftist" (which I am but that's not the point). On of them made a list of things why he would absolutely never vote democrat again, he said it's a sin! why? because they disarmed America,

I think the evangelicals have for gotten that the Gospel is about Jesus they think it's about bemg a republican.

PL, there is no such thing as "voting for the man, not the party". When you "vote for the man", you are *always* voting for the party.Since the Democrats are the party of, non-exhaustively:

 1) murdering babies;2) disarming law-abiding citizens;
3) protecting violent criminals from justice;
4) destroying all organic social counters to the Leviathan State;
5) undermining paternal authority;
6) promoting short-sighted female revolt against paternal authority;
7) knee-capping our allies while propping up our foes;
8) ultimately, destroying not only our polity but our very civilization;
to vote for *any* Democrat is to vote for all of that and more.

Now, of course, a lot of Republican politician are also on board with all that. But, the Republican "base" is not (which is why the term 'RINO' exists) for that, whereas the Democratic "base" is.
 
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March 03, 2016 1:13 AM

Blogger David B Marshall said...
I find your rant overwrought and simplistic, Joe, and frankly not all that careful with the facts. You seem to think Rubio would be just as bad as Trump, which is nonsense. Rubio appears to be a decent person with reasonable positions, who I expect would do much better than the grotesquely dishonest Hilary Clinton, supporter of the "body parts for sale" organization Planned Parenthood and an enabler of her predatory husband.

And then there's this:

"At a time when every scientist around the world predicts dyer consequences of not reducing carbon emissions, the right wing convinces America it's a lie of big gubern-ment and it's fine to keep polluting. We are talking about our own extinction."

But it's not true that "every scientists" predicts that -- I know many who remain intensely skeptical of the doom-and-gloom predictions. They may be wrong, but you badly overspoke.

Nor have I heard any Republican candidate say "It's fine to keep polluting, "which is a completely separate issue from AGW.


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 They are against Trump but still condemn by thi8ng about him. They said no serious
Christian would ever vote for Trump but then said ai was a liar because I implied he's a Nazi.
wello practically welcomed endorsement from the Klan (Duke) isn't that close enough?

We had an exchange bout Rubio. I said I heard him say he would abolish EPA. I could not defend it prompt so I got official  campaign literature. It listed his official position. It did not say he would abolish EPA but it did say he would roll back regs on air and water pollution in a big way. They said I was a liar because I didn't quote him. His campaign lit is not good enough! They quoted nothing but said I was dishonest because I was ranting since I did not have any evidence. In reality I quoted Rubio twice in log passages and I had evidence they had none. They quoted nothing,

We got into a thing when I said the Bible says God is on the side of the poor he said that was absurd no passage  says that and he called me "covetous" because I am coveting the wealth. How I'm coveting wealth I want to give it to other people I don't know. I put up the 50 passages I put up here the other day (Bible Government,Poor) and He said nothing abouit them hyie said this:

NOWHERE is the Bible does it say to "favor the poor" -- it in fact says the *opposite*: favor neither the rich nor the poor

NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that merely by being rich "the rich" "oppress" "the poor"; for, after all, the Bible is not an irrational document, and it is concerned with representing the world as it really is.

NOWHERE in the Bible does it praise poverty nor condemn wealth. In fact, quite to the contrary, the Bible presents poverty as a state to be avoided, and wealth as a state to be attained, given moral means to do either. And this, too, aligns with the objective truth about reality: all else being equal, it is better to be rich than to be poor.

NOT LEAST -- having grown up poor (*), and having still the mindset of the poor (**)-- I see right through you and all your ilk and all your crocodile tears over "the poor".

(*) at one point, my father had a *two* part-time jobs on top of his full-time job

(**) though I am now comfortable; and it was not leftists who raised me out of poverty

I said nothing bout wealth being bad. I want the rich to pay their fair share (see the pie chart up top) not to take it all away from them. I've seen this tendency before of people who were poor to hate reformers and refuse to make the rich pay their fair share., I think it's because they think they are getting closer to wealth and they want it the gravy. But I'm  Covetous.

Hinman, you're a fool and a liar, but I repeat myself. You're a covetous leftist, but I repeat myself.
So you will vote for the party and voting dem is a sin so being Republican is what being Christian is all about. I remember when it was about Jesus. I thought Grace was a great thing, a result of God's love. But that was that whossy Jesus. now we have general Jesus and lots of guns. Being a Christian has gotten easier just buy a gun and vote Republican.

Turns out some evangelicals don't give a damn about the Bible.


Matthew 25

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

You know we are going to have to change that, "I was Republican and You did not vote for me."

let me hear from you. Was my thing on trump going too far? what do you think?




 

2 comments:

Kristen said...

Well, for one thing the Bible doesn't say poverty is a state to be avoided; it says it is a state to be helped by people who have more. The "show no favoritism" passage I think he's referring to is in James, and it definitely is talking about not showing favoritism to the rich. We don't need admonitions about not showing favoritism to the poor! Human beings don't do that, and never have.

Paul in Galatians 1 talks about how his priority, and the priority of the whole early church, was helping the poor. It certainly wasn't about trying to get rich!

As far as Trump is concerned-- I think it's always too inflammatory to compare anyone to a Nazi. All that does is cause flames and derails any real dialogue. But Trump's so-called policies are un-Christian, certainly.

Joe Hinman said...

I wasn't comparing him to a Nazi. It's not too far fetched to compare to Brown shirts and Crystal night the early stuff. The thug based stuff.