Sunday, August 18, 2024

Resurrection: Litteral or Metaphorical?



Crosson

John Dominic Crosson views the Resurrection of Christ as a metaphor. That means he doesn't believe it actually happened but the story points to a grand meaning.The meaning is true even though the event itself is not.[1]Crosson thinks iconography of the Eastern church points to the grand meaning much more clearly than does the Western. The Western is more individualistic. the Eastern is more social and it accomplishes this by including other people in the image.

In the West, we have Jesus coming out of the tomb, alone, looking a bit like an athlete coming out well buffed from the gym. But in the East, you have Jesus holding the hand of Adam and Eve and leading them out of Hades. We could see it everywhere we went in Turkey...The Eastern churches have a universal vision of Jesus arising with all of humanity, symbolized by Adam and Eve. Western Christianity has a more individualistic vision of Jesus, arising glorious and triumphant but also solitary and alone.[2]


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"The resurrection of Jesus Christ, the focus of this study, is understood by Crossan as a parabolic metaphor—infused with meaning, but not intended to convey historical fact. Easter means for me that the divine empowerment which was present in Jesus, but once upon a time limited to those people in Galilee and Judea who had contact with him, is now available to anyone,...." [4]

Corsson puts a negative spin on the literal view:

The last chapters of the gospels and the first chapters of Acts taken literally, factually, and historically trivialize Christianity and brutalize Judaism.  That acceptance has created in Christianity a lethal deceit that sours its soul, hardens its heart, and savages its spirit.  Although the basis of all religion and, indeed, of all human life is mythological, based on acts of fundamental faith incapable of proof or disproof, Christianity often asserts that its faith is based on fact not interpretation, history not myth, actual event not supreme fiction.  And because I am myself a Christian, I have a responsibility to do something about it."[5]


I value the political implications Crosson brings out in the metaphorical meaning of the resurrection. I can't understand why we can't have both.Jesus could be Christ and really rose from the dead and that action could then have meaning such that it speaks to liberation theology. Crosson goes on to assert that a literal resurrection, or belief in such, is socially oppressive Why this should be so is clear as mud.

I guess it's because the emphasis upon individual salvation seems to make the individual more important than the group. The fallacy there is that Jesus has a church and being saved means being added to "the body of Christ." Then the upshot of the literal view is that we become part of a community. Surely that has value toward building the community and liberated
society. If, as Crosson charges, the east has an iconography more conducive to social consciousness, then change the iconography not the doctrine.

There is good reason to believe in the literal resurrection A resurrection that was purely metaphor probably would have been exposed as not literal then announced a hoax.No amount of intellectualizing about metaphors would silence the critics. The bursting onto the world scene of christianity in the first century is hard to explain, The idea that there was no empty tomb no witneses to risen christ ian leaves the sucess of the faith more mysterious.

It seems to me that the metaphorical camp is embarrassed that their views are not sanctioned by science. They are catering to doubt and unbelief.

Sources

[1] Alicia von Stamwitz,"John Dominic Crossan on what we get wrong about Easter," Boardview, March 31, 2020, https://broadview.org/john-dominic-crossan-interview/

[2]Ibid

[3]Ibid

[4] Tawa Jon Anderson, "The Myth of the Metaphorical Ressurection," PhD dissertation for The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, May 2011. "The Centrality of Resurrection Belief in Christianity" https://repository.sbts.edu/bitstream/handle/10392/2847/Anderson_sbts_0207D_10031.pdf?sequence=1

[5] Erick Nelson quoting Crosson: in "John Domanic Crosson," July 2003, up dated December 03, 2007 https://www.ericknelson.net/Apologetics%20Papers/Metaphorical%20Gospel%20Theory/MG10/EInFavoOfMG/CScholars/C3JohnDominicCrossan.htm quoting Crossson in The Westar Institute web autobiography "Almost the Whole Truth - an Odyssey", _________________________________________

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16 comments:

Anonymous said...

I suspect Crossan, who is quite the Biblical scholar, has carefully researched the resurrection, and been forced to the conclusion that it never actually happened. Indeed, I think he believes Jesus body was left on the cross for crows and dogs to eat.
https://www.thecontemplativelife.org/blog/historical-jesus-john-dominic-crossan-jesus-cynic-philosopher

However, for whatever reason, he still thinks Christianity is true, and so this is the result - a belief that Christianity is true even if the resurrection is not.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

No Crosson has no special knowledge of history that disproves the resurrection. His view is based entirely upon his politics. When every Christian source for a thousand years supports a real resurrection where are you going to find a way to disprove it? Without the res it;s Christianity he has own religion of doubtianity.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...
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Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

I am not willing to start the heresy trail. I wont say if one doesn't believe in the resurrection, one is not a Christian; I do think it does harm to the faith. But it may be one mistake in a love for the things that Jesus taught. It seems foolish to just chuck the teachings of 2000 years merely because one hasn't the faith to embrace the doctrine.

Anonymous said...

Joe: No Crosson has no special knowledge of history that disproves the resurrection. His view is based entirely upon his politics. When every Christian source for a thousand years supports a real resurrection where are you going to find a way to disprove it? Without the res it;s Christianity he has own religion of doubtianity.

Disproves it? No. But presumably Crossan thinks the weight of evidence indicates it never happened.

Got to be honest, I am not sure I can agree with him. I am sure there were no Jerusalem appearances of the risen Jesus, and fairly confident there was no empty tomb, but I do think the disciples saw something in Galilee. It could have been the risen Jesus, though as an atheist I think it rather more likely to be a hallucination or trick of the light or whatever. Not sure how Crossan could conclude it was not Jesus.

Pix (again; forgot to sign my earlier comment)

Anonymous said...

Crosson was a scholar par excellence. He could blow you Paul worshipers out of the water easily, especially the Texan redneck. He claims his god wants everyone to be saved but that same god never talks to us in an audible voice or does anything to let us know he exists. Its silence. You guys are crazy for talking to something that clearly doesn't exist. See some psychologists it would do you a world of good to stop wating all your time on writing this immoral garbage. Lying is evil you know.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Hey Pix grad you are back:
Anonymous said...
Joe: No Crosson has no special knowledge of history that disproves the resurrection. His view is based entirely upon his politics. When every Christian source for a thousand years supports a real resurrection where are you going to find a way to disprove it? Without the res it;s Christianity he has own religion of doubtianity.
PX:
Disproves it? No. But presumably Crossan thinks the weight of evidence indicates it never happened.

I didn't see any evidence. I think he's just making naturalistic assumptions.

Got to be honest, I am not sure I can agree with him. I am sure there were no Jerusalem appearances of the risen Jesus, and fairly confident there was no empty tomb, but I do think the disciples saw something in Galilee. It could have been the risen Jesus, though as an atheist I think it rather more likely to be a hallucination or trick of the light or whatever. Not sure how Crossan could conclude it was not Jesus.

Again with the Galilee! Look I like Crosson and he is a dynamite scholar. But he's no Koester! Great scholars can be wrong.
This is not Px:
3:01 AM
Anonymous said...
Crosson was a scholar par excellence. He could blow you Paul worshipers out of the water easily, especially the Texan redneck.

Texas Redneck? I don't even drink my beer from a can.

He claims his god wants everyone to be saved but that same god never talks to us in an audible voice or does anything to let us know he exists. Its silence.

Yes he does talk to us, the answers prayers let's us feel his presence. you are not open so you hear or see.
You guys are crazy for talking to something that clearly doesn't exist. See some psychologists it would do you a world of good to stop wating all your time on writing this immoral garbage. Lying is evil you know.

So you are not Px! That sort of childish BS is not worthy of an answer.

im-skeptical said...

In their views on the resurrection of Jesus, there isn't much difference between the Roman Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church. Both believe in the physical resurrection.

Cuttlebones said...

As you said, I also don't see the benefit of choosing a metaphoric over a literal understanding other than diffusing some of the political implications. I don't see how a literal reading trivializes Christianity. I'm sure the first Christians didn't see it as metaphoric. Why would a resurrection that was purely metaphor have been exposed as not literal If that's the way they understood it from the get go? If the disciples understood it as metaphor but sold it as literal, then it could have been open to being exposed, though the possibility would have been limited. The power of an idea is often greater than the truth.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

im-skeptical said...
In their views on the resurrection of Jesus, there isn't much difference between the Roman Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church. Both believe in the physical resurrection.
True Crosson's point is about iconography not doctrine.
4:03 PM

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

CB It's true if they never taught real resurrection no one would care so it's an espouse. But I also thin would have no real impact in terms of gaining followers.

Mrs. Atheist said...

Oh, I see! You're not talking to god; he’s just too busy ‘not talking’ to anyone else, I guess? Psychiatrists are actually the best listeners! But hey, who needs sanity when you have faith, right?

Mrs. Atheist said...

You must lead a fascinating life if debating with an imaginary being is your idea of deep conversation. Where do I sign up?

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Mrs. Atheist said...
Oh, I see! You're not talking to god; he’s just too busy ‘not talking’ to anyone else, I guess? Psychiatrists are actually the best listeners! But hey, who needs sanity when you have faith, right?

Studies show people who have religious experiences such as mystical experience are more emotionally stable than those dont they score higher on self-actualization tests.

10:57 AM
Mrs. Atheist said...
You must lead a fascinating life if debating with an imaginary being is your idea of deep conversation. Where do I sign up?

No I am not debatig God I am debatig idiots called atheists. those this blog community excepted.

Mrs. Atheist said...

Ah, yes, because nothing says 'emotional stability' quite like believing in things that can't be proven. But hey, if your mystical experiences help you avoid reality, who am I to judge? Studies also show that people who enjoy pineapple on pizza are happier too. Maybe we should just focus on what toppings make us stable instead of debating the universe? Basically, your argument boils down to 'I'm better than you because I believe in magic'? Fascinating logic. Maybe we should all just embrace our inner unicorns.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Mrs. Atheist said...
Ah, yes, because nothing says 'emotional stability' quite like believing in things that can't be proven.

Science accepts the possibility of things that aren't proven such as dark matter and multiverse. God can be proven to the satisfaction of the invidual and certainly belief can be warranted regresless of proof.

But hey, if your mystical experiences help you avoid reality, who am I to judge?

that's a stupid assertion, it could help you face reality better. Talk about believing things you can't prove that is nothing but prejudice.
Studies also show that people who enjoy pineapple on pizza are happier too. Maybe we should just focus on what toppings make us stable instead of debating the universe? Basically, your argument boils down to 'I'm better than you because I believe in magic'? Fascinating logic. Maybe we should all just embrace our inner unicorns.

where did I say I'm better than anyone?, the evidence shows those who have mystical experience are more compassionate, more willing to help people and more willing to put themselves out for others, your assertions are just based upon hate, why do you hate religious people? how did they hurt you?