Metacrock's Blog

I am becoming more and more heart sick about the fate of humanity. It really crushes my spirit to see the stupidity of people when they do things like, after goading atheists for about 12 threads (not posts but whole threads) to deal with the specifics of my 8 levels of verification they claim that they "dealt with it." when you look at how they dealt with it you see they have nothing specific at all of any kind. I goad them on the fact that they want say anything specific, even though they have been claiming they beat it, then they do "I just don't care about it." They continue to say 'there's no verification of the Gospels." They wont answer the arguments but they still continue to insist upon the errors that the arguments correct, while claiming not to care. If they don't care why are they still talking about it?



Originally Posted by Metacrock

how are you going to learn that it's wrong if it's just a matter of your little taste? nothing can make something wrong in a world with no innate morality. you only have the idea of "wrong" becuase society tells you to think it. In a world where no believes in right and wrong (which are metaphysical and are part of belief in God) no one is going to say "this is intrinsically wrong" becasue there can't be an Intrinsic anything in a world of pure naturalism.

Marty Hamerstock

Why not? Why do you need something metaphysical to have moral absolutes? I find that simple logic works well. Why do morals exist and why are they needed? What makes something intrinsically right or wrong? In order to have to attach something metaphysical to it, you would have to believe in a "pure" good or a "pure" evil, which I don't believe exists. There simply is no evidence fo it. Any social and political animal from lions to chimps have something resembling ethics that serve the community at large. This shows to me that morality developed through natural selection just like everything else. You mentioned matters of taste. Evolution programmed the moral "biggies" into our DNA, leaving plenty of "wiggle room" for individual cultures and societies.

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One of them says ethics is about brain chemistry. Feeding into the lie that we don't need God for ethics. Then continually blurring the distinction between what we should do and what people do in fact do. Asserting a good all the while being denying the logical basis for supporting why there is a good. Then asking "why does there have to be a big magical man in the sky to say that something is good." Why is something good? because we have brain chemistry that leads us to do certain things a certain way. That's what they think good is. When I see that kind of thinking I just don't want to live in this century anymore.


The heart of Hamerstick's claim is this: Any social and political animal from lions to chimps have something resembling ethics that serve the community at large. This shows to me that morality developed through natural selection just like everything else.

That is a self contradictory claim. No animals have anything like ethics. The fact that he thinks they do merely proves that he doesn't know what ethics is. There is no group of animals that sits around discussing moral decision making. Animaols do not examine their actions.That is moral thinking, not behaviors not lists of rules. The reductionist reduces morality to behavior. All atheists are reductionists in a sense and thus they all reduced ethics to behavior. When you take the moral thinking out of morality it's not moral anymore. Moral thinking is decision making, that means deliberation not a list of rules or instinctive behaviors. Ethics is the academic discussion about moral decision making.

This tendency to reduce everything to the purely physiological and it all on the level of the surface aspects of the natural is symptomatic of the kind of thinking that subsumed the age People are losing the intellectual ability to understand what thinking is. Certainly ethics, morality, God, theology, philosophy, the meaning of life, these are all beyond the grasp of the kids being trained by these modern advocates of surfaceism. With the loss of these old fashioned concepts and the antiquated ways of looking at things (like thinking and reason and learning things in books) comes the loss of all the aspects of humanity that marks us as human.
They just say "I want to be a machine, machines are cool."