Sunday, August 29, 2021

Superstition in Atheist Ideology

The word superstition is often used to refer to a religion not practiced by the majority of a given society regardless of whether the prevailing religion contains alleged superstitions.[1] Let's look at an authoritative definition of the word, webster:

Definition of superstition

1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causationb: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary. More Webster:Recent Examples And the superstition has bled outside of stories — even today, many hotels don't have a 13th floor.— Wyatte Grantham-philips, USA TODAY, "It's Friday the 13th. In 2020. Here's a brief history about the superstitious date and some hilarious tweets to get you through the day.," 13 Nov. 2020While the other 3 out of 4 Americans might scoff at this, there is actually psychological science to back superstition.— Marika Gerken, CNN, "Friday the 13th: How it came to be and why it's considered unlucky," 13 Nov. 2020These example sentences are selected automatically from various online news sources to reflect current usage of the word 'superstition.' Views expressed in the examples do not represent the opinion of Merriam-Webster or its editors. Send us feedback.[2]
When I first read this definition in Webster I said to myself they will use the bit about ignorance and deard of the unknown to indicate the mystical and the bit about causation to impune the cause argument. I think Webster's meant things like a black cat crossing your path is bad luck. The atheist take it to mean argument from first cause. The Wiki article footnotes Webster as it's source..
A superstition is "a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation" or "an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition."[Wiki 1][Wiki 2] Often, it arises from ignorance, a misunderstanding of science or causality, a belief in fate or magic, or fear of that which is unknown. It is commonly applied to beliefs and practices surrounding luck, prophecy, and certain spiritual beings, particularly the belief that future events can be foretold by specific (apparently) unrelated prior events.[Wiki 3] [3]
They justify these additions by citing other sources. No one beyond that segment of atheism i call "Dawkamentalism"' believes that belief in God per se is superstition. There is another funny thing about that quote. It starts out telling us "A superstition is 'a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation' or 'an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition.'' What that actually says is that superstition results from Superstition. It defines the word by itself. Their reasoning is circular, they define the term by itself. That tells me they don't really understand they are just regurgitating party lines.

At this point it would be well to examine the origin of religion and superstition. The two did actually come out of the same phase of human development and their origins are linked. Since I don't buy a literal Genesis account I attribute human origin to evolitom. At one point humans began to notice the sense of God' s presence and mystical experience. All experiences of the divine must be filtered through cultural constructs, or symbols. God is beyond our understanding, thus beyond language. If we are talking about our experiences, however badly, we must filter them through culture.

RELIGION, although inherent in man, borrows its expressions from the setting or milieu in which man appears. The forms through which man expresses the supernatural are all drawn from the cultural heritage and the environment known to him, and are structured according to his dominant patterns of experience.In a hunting culture this means that the main target of observation, the animal, is the ferment of suggestive influence on representations of the supernatural. This must not be interpreted as meaning that all ideas of the supernatural necessarily take animal form. First of all, spirits do appear also as human beings, although generally less frequently; the high-god, for instance, if he exists, is often thought of as a being of human appearance. Second, although spirits may manifest themselves as animals they may evince a human character and often also human modes of action.[4]

In his work The Evolution of God,[5] Robert Wright distills the work of anthropology over the last two centuries and demonstrates an evolutionary development, form early superstition that personified nature (prehistoric people talking to the wind)[6], through a polytheistic origin in pre-Hebrew Israelite culture,[7] to monotheistic innovation with the God of the Bible.

The point is we left superstition ages ago. It was an attempt at coping with the unknown, but divine revelation proved a better one. We outgrew it. Lest one argue that this still implies a weakness in religion let's not forget astrology and astronomy grew up together and out of the same thought and the same stars. As did Chemistry and Alchemy

NOTES

[1]Vyse, Stuart A. (2000). Believing in Magic: The Psychology of Superstition. Oxford, England: Oxford University Press. pp. 19–22.

[2]Superstition, Merroam-Webster online https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superstition (accessed 1/10/21)

[3]Siperototom, Wikepedioa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition#:~:text=The%20word%20superstition%20is%20often,prevailing%20religion%20contains%20alleged%20superstitions.(accessed 1/10/21)

Soirces used in the Wiki artickle:

w1:cf. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/superstition w2:Drinkwater, Ken; Dagnall, Neil. "The science of superstition – and why people believe in the unbelievable". The Conversation. Retrieved 2020-09-21. w3Vyse, Stuart A. (2000). Believing in Magic: The Psychology of Superstition. Oxford, England: Oxford University Press. pp. 19–22. ISBN 978-0-1951-3634-0.

[4]Ake Hultkrantz, “Attitudes Toward Animals in Shashoni Indian Religion,” Studies in Comparative Religion, Vol. 4, No. 2. (Spring, 1970) © World Wisdom, Inc. no page listed,online archive, URL: http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/browse_g.aspx?ID=131, accessed 3/21/13

[5]Robert Wright, The Evolution of God, New York: Back Bay Books, reprint edition, 2010. The book was Originally published in 2009. The company “Back Bay books: is an imprint of Hachette Books, through Little Brown and company. Wright studied sociobiology at Princeton and taught at Princeton as and University of Pennsyania. He edits New Republic and does journalistic writing of science, especially sociobiology.

[6]Wright, ibid, 9

[7]Ibid 10

10 comments:

Kristen said...

It seems like a lot of what we're seeing politically lately falls within the definitions of superstition. Belief that COVID-19 is a liberal plot to take control of the country, or that the vaccine contains a microchip that includes the Mark of the Beast-- these are superstitions, aren't they?

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

they are playing off those Christian comics of the 70s. Who did those> Chick?

im-skeptical said...

What that actually says is that superstition results from Superstition. It defines the word by itself. Their reasoning is circular, they define the term by itself. That tells me they don't really understand they are just regurgitating party lines.

- What this tells me is that you are objecting to the quote taken verbatim from Merriam Webster, where it says that superstition in the sense if 1b results from superstition in the sense of 1a. In other words, a superstitious attitude results from superstitious beliefs. And rather than criticize the definition, you are criticizing people who did the same thing you did - namely to quote the definition. There is nothing circular about it. You just have to understand what the definition says.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Hinman:What that actually says is that superstition results from Superstition. It defines the word by itself. Their reasoning is circular, they define the term by itself. That tells me they don't really understand they are just regurgitating party lines.

- What this tells me is that you are objecting to the quote taken verbatim from Merriam Webster, where it says that superstition in the sense if 1b results from superstition in the sense of 1a.


No that's not what it says you are reconstructing. a and b don't have that kind of relationship in dictionaries..

IMS"In other words, a superstitious attitude results from superstitious beliefs."

It is not giving multi-layered causes but different uses of the term.

a = : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b=: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition. a does not cause b


IMS"And rather than criticize the definition, you are criticizing people who did the same thing you did - namely to quote the definition. There is nothing circular about it. You just have to understand what the definition says."

yes the section that says superstition causes superstation is circular. Note that section is in the examples of usage

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

I remembered wrong. Here is the circular statement: "A superstition is "a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation" or "an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition."[Wiki 1][Wiki 2] "

It is not eve from Webster's and so it can't reference it. It's not explained by Webster's. see ft 3.

im-skeptical said...

Webster 1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation

Webster 1b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition

Two different senses of the word. 1b results from 1a. That's what the definition tells us. Please note that the folks at Merriam Webster are too smart to use a blatantly circular definition. One obviously refers to the other.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Webster 1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation

Webster 1b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition

Two different senses of the word. 1b results from 1a. That's what the definition tells us. Please note that the folks at Merriam Webster are too smart to use a blatantly circular definition. One obviously refers to the other.

I told you the circular one not from websters. It's fro Wiki. This shows us you do not knkow how dictionaries work. There is no relationship between a and b. you think that because that' in line with your ideology but it;s not what the article says. show me note that says it!

im-skeptical said...

I told you the circular one not from websters. It's fro Wiki.
- The words were taken verbatim from the Merriam Webster definition.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...


the words:
A superstition is "a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation" or "an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition."[Wiki 1][Wiki 2]

the source:[3]Siperototom, Wikepedioa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition#:~:text=The%20word%20superstition%20is%20often,prevailing%20religion%20contains%20alleged%20superstitions.(accessed 1/10/21)


it says "A superstition is "a belief or practice ,,, resulting from superstition." those wpres areot frowebsters. sjpw,e were\


No impact on my argument

im-skeptical said...

I don't get why you can't see this. The words come directly from the Merriam-Webster definition again. Other sources obviously have used that definition.