tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post8493806162261747364..comments2024-03-29T01:14:19.030-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Pope-o-phobia HysteriaJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-52663891465495266242010-04-14T20:25:36.753-07:002010-04-14T20:25:36.753-07:00"I have no seen one single Pope-0-phobe quote...<i>"I have no seen one single Pope-0-phobe quote a single fact about the issues. they are waving hysterically and talking like he raped children himself."</i><br /><br />No Joe, we're pointing out that there was a culture in the highest echelons of the Catholic Church that was more concerned with the Church's reputation than with the well being of the victims of abuse. Ratzinger actually appears to have been uncomfortable with that and may even have tried to get some of the abusers removed, but it's evident that he mostly went along with that culture of cover-up.<br /><br />This is a guy who has also re-instated holocaust deniers and continues to push lies about the value of condoms in fighting AIDs...I'm honestly surprised to see you defending such a reactionary figure...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-38874732706741216902010-04-14T18:27:39.280-07:002010-04-14T18:27:39.280-07:00Washington post March 31, 2010
http://www.washing...Washington post March 31, 2010<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/30/AR2010033002119.html<br /><br /> Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, for instance, this week publicly countered accusations that Benedict turned a blind eye to abuse scandals when, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he headed a powerful Vatican office in charge of disciplinary action of the clergy between 1981 and 2005. Schoenborn said that Ratzinger in 1995 pressed for a special investigation into the former archbishop of Vienna, Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer, for allegedly molesting young monks. That push, Schoenborn said, was blocked by aides to then-Pope John Paul II. <br /><br /><br /><br /> Benedict has nevertheless come under fire for mismanaging cases of accused pedophiles in the clergy. In 1980, when he was archbishop of Munich, Ratzinger approved the transfer of a German priest and sex offender for therapy. Despite promises to the victim's family that the priest would not work with children again, he was allowed to return to the ministry and molested more children. The Vatican has said Ratzinger was not aware that the priest returned to pastoral duties, a move approved by his then-deputy, Vicar General Gerhard Gruber. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I have no seen one single Pope-0-phobe quote a single fact about the issues. they are waving hysterically and talking like he raped children himself.<br /><br />they are not even rationally evaluating the involvement he had. I've seen people say everything from "the systemic institutional molesting of Children" as though there's a creed commanding it "I believe in God the father, and molesting children..." all of you are talking like he was raping children. It's still not even clear that he knew about it when it was going on and he did policies in place to stop from 1980 to 2005.<br /><br />please get over hysterical mob mentality.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-39802831620435649752010-04-14T18:22:28.795-07:002010-04-14T18:22:28.795-07:00Wow, Joe. Way to put words in our mouths. Grow up....Wow, Joe. Way to put words in our mouths. Grow up.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-41622996691080243142010-04-14T18:13:57.681-07:002010-04-14T18:13:57.681-07:00why don't I feel Hermit can say that himself?why don't I feel Hermit can say that himself?Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-88807056158755102772010-04-14T18:13:03.226-07:002010-04-14T18:13:03.226-07:00you Hermit found his little magic issue that's...you Hermit found his little magic issue that's destroy Christianity now. He knows all about child abuse in the chruch he's a world expert on it.<br /><br />There's no rational defense for these people Joe, it's evil plain and simple and this Pope was part of covering up for and enabling at least some of these monsters.<br /><br /><br /><b>right, we should rape them with toilt plunger handles and pullthem through cactus by piono wire aroudn their balls. I know let's go to the Christain areas an djust start shooting hu? <br /><br />why stop with priests? surely all Catholocs are eivl let just wipe them all out hu?<br /><br />after all the crime so bad that suspending reason is justified hu?</b><br /><br />I don't know about arresting him, but at the very least he should resign and take more than a few cardinals with him.<br /><br /><b>for an attitude he had 40 years ago that was jus like hte attitude in mosto f society and he's a lot to change sinc.e that's real smart.<br /><br />you are on Christ hate carze you are not going to evaluate things rationally.</b>.<br /><br />This is why I reject your non-humanist ethics, by the way. <br /><br /><br /><b>because it's not irrational enough? Or because it's not hateful enough?</b><br /><br />When the source of ethical concern is something beyond humanity then humanity becomes expendable as it did here; the reputation of the Church was more important than the suffering of the victims.<br /><br /><b>Its'so halrious how little self reigiouts politcally correct know alls can read into things people so much that they either fear or want to say themselves.<br /><br />like Mike saying 'O so you now you support corruption." once you let in that irrational hysteria there' no end to it.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-77761393466676546322010-04-14T16:20:51.097-07:002010-04-14T16:20:51.097-07:00Read this:
The "Pedophile's Paradise&quo...Read this:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-pedophiles-paradise/Content?oid=1065017" rel="nofollow">The "Pedophile's Paradise"</a><br /><br />For decades the Church used isolated native communities in Alaska as a dumping ground for known child rapers. <br /><br />There's no rational defense for these people Joe, it's evil plain and simple and this Pope was part of covering up for and enabling at least some of these monsters.<br /><br />I don't know about arresting him, but at the very least he should resign and take more than a few cardinals with him.<br /><br />This is why I reject your non-humanist ethics, by the way. When the source of ethical concern is something beyond humanity then humanity becomes expendable as it did here; the reputation of the Church was more important than the suffering of the victims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-10360482366907252512010-04-14T12:39:01.784-07:002010-04-14T12:39:01.784-07:00To me, this has nothing to do with religion, excep...To me, this has nothing to do with religion, except in it's abuse of religion.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-73571998887329022062010-04-14T12:32:47.642-07:002010-04-14T12:32:47.642-07:00that is a serious issue and I'm angry at them ...that is a serious issue and I'm angry at them for doing it. But it's more a matter of institutions rather than religion. Any institution seeks it's own survival.<br /><br />It's wrong. It' blatantly wrong and I can understand people's anger.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-44479073127850013452010-04-14T08:13:23.223-07:002010-04-14T08:13:23.223-07:00The issue for me regarding the church has never be...The issue for me regarding the church has never been the molestation it's self, it's the cover up and protection of the criminals.<br /><br />Even priests are calling for the Pope to resign. <a href="http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/23121222/detail.html" rel="nofollow">Local Priest Calls For Pope To Resign</a><br /><br />If speaking my mind is baiting, then I guess I'm baiting.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-22263700337171757752010-04-14T07:41:11.192-07:002010-04-14T07:41:11.192-07:00Stop thinking emotionally about child molestation?...Stop thinking emotionally about child molestation? Wow. This isn't just about the cases currently in the news, this is about a long tradition of protecting molester priests.<br /><br /><b>you know I'm not into disregarding feelings. I believe that there are times when feelings can be a valid form of knowing and of deicsion making. But this is not one of them.<br /><br />the magnitude of the crime is not an excuse to become hysterical. I'm not saying you are hysterical but really, the evil of he crime does not warrant going off the deep end.</b><br /><br />If there was one person who I thought would stand against corruption in the church, it was you. I'm surprised to see you not doing so.<br /><br /><br /><b>You are almost red baiting. I am a protestant you know! My being a Protestant is a commentary on the whole process of having the Roman Catholic hierarchy. So I don't approve of the way they do business (so to speak) anyeay, see? To say that my attempt at level headed analysis of the problem is the same as condoning corruption, that's the kind of thing that hysteria leads people to say.<br /><br />Of course I'm against corruption but I'm not even a Catholic. The Pople cannot be under the jurisdiction of American cities. The Pope can't be arrested by the police of the cities in which the priests were doing their abuse, nor should he be, any more than Obama should be arrested by the Taliban.</b><br /><br />If I'm thinking emotionally, then I'm in good company.<br /><br />Matthew 18:6<br /><br /><b>O yea bad analogies always justify everything.</b><br /><br />"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."<br /><br /><b>see this is the kind of exaggeration that comes form letting rage guide your analysis.<br /><br />the People didn't do anything to make any child "stumble." None of the children molested "stumbled." stumbling means someone gave up their fiat and sinned willingly. children influenced to have sex by trusted figures are not stumbling, they are not willingly choosing,t they are being hoodwinked, in a sense raped in a slow fashion. they are children it's not their fault.<br /><br />"stumbling" means sin the children didnt' sin the asshole that hurt them sinned.<br /><br />the Pope didn't do that. there's no indication or even a charge that the Pope screwed any kinds. That's NOT on the table.<br /><br />maybe metaphorically he screwed them. that's wrong. but I'm mot a cathoic and the RCC has n provision for taking Pop's out.<br /><br />that's one reason I'm not a Catholic.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-85617825323082988232010-04-14T07:31:48.509-07:002010-04-14T07:31:48.509-07:00And seriously, you're telling me to stop think...And seriously, you're telling me to stop thinking emotionally? I wonder what percentage of all your internet posts are barely coherent rants against atheism?<br /><br /><b>3%</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-11100888741318912642010-04-14T06:56:11.617-07:002010-04-14T06:56:11.617-07:00And seriously, you're telling me to stop think...And seriously, you're telling <b>me</b> to stop thinking emotionally? I wonder what percentage of all <b>your</b> internet posts are barely coherent rants against atheism?Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-81964243191417759342010-04-14T06:53:56.037-07:002010-04-14T06:53:56.037-07:00Stop thinking emotionally about child molestation?...Stop thinking emotionally about child molestation? Wow. This isn't just about the cases currently in the news, this is about a long tradition of protecting molester priests.<br /><br />If there was one person who I thought would stand against corruption in the church, it was you. I'm surprised to see you not doing so.<br /><br />If I'm thinking emotionally, then I'm in good company.<br /><br />Matthew 18:6<br /><br />"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-15568098999055324282010-04-14T06:18:26.539-07:002010-04-14T06:18:26.539-07:00had been actively involved in covering up child mo...had been actively involved in covering up child molestation committed by it's employees? Heads would roll.<br /><br /><b>You mean they would literally cut off their heads?</b><br /><br />Your post should have been about how calling for shooting the pope was going too far, but something has to be done. Yet, you chose to let your hatred of atheists get the better of you.<br /><br /><b>It's not a corporation. Corporations are under the jurisdiction of the authorities, the Pope is not.<br /><br />Trying to compare the Pope's actions of 40 years ago (they never take into account how long ago it was) and the fact that he wasn't personally involved in any of the cases and may not have know about it never enters into their thinking.<br /><br />I'm sure a lot of the hysterical Pope-0-phobes are not atheists. that doesn't matter, they are still hysterical.<br /><br />The only thing he really did, that's proved, was not actively telling the Bishops to reprot to the police, 40 years ago.<br /> Forth years Ago! Forty years ago! what's the statute of limitations? Child abuser himself would be beyond the statute by now.<br /><br />these guys aer acting like the pope said "O get them more children to molest." He didn't. they took them out of the job, except for one guy who they stupidly thought was cured. But that's not anywhere near the same thing as saying "get him more kids to hurt."<br /><br />stop thinking emotionally.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-57273282879021730162010-04-14T05:56:16.209-07:002010-04-14T05:56:16.209-07:00The point I've made several times is what if t...The point I've made several times is what if the Catholic church was a major corporation and many of it's executives, including it's CEO had been actively involved in covering up child molestation committed by it's employees? Heads would roll. Clergy, regardless of faith or denomination, are just people and should be held just as accountable as you or I would.<br /><br />The Catholic church has protected these monsters long enough.<br /><br />Your post should have been about how calling for shooting the pope was going too far, but something has to be done. Yet, you chose to let your hatred of atheists get the better of you.<br /><br />"trumped up crap"<br /><br />Nice, blame the victim.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.com