tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post6596810474823962402..comments2024-03-29T03:30:25.637-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Answering Bill Walker's Version of OptimismJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-47426874083182304882009-12-15T21:02:59.824-08:002009-12-15T21:02:59.824-08:00There's nothing wrong with abbreviations. Sure...There's nothing wrong with abbreviations. Surely you accept BC & AD as valid abbreviations.billwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16939002900765689022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-91796412108162233042009-12-04T08:19:28.509-08:002009-12-04T08:19:28.509-08:00Joe, Not all Atheists are communists.
Obviously I...Joe, Not all Atheists are communists.<br /><br /><b>Obviously I didn't say they wore. only a fool would read it that way.</b><br /><br /><br /><br />Politically I am an independent. Re my education, intellect, background in reading,etc., you know no more of me than I do of you. <br /><br /><b>I know you rarely seem to understand what I say</b><br /><br /><br /><br />Even less, as you continually tell me of your vast educational background & your immensely superior intellect,<br /><br /><br /><b>Atheists seem to take every single opportunity they can to rum me down. they refuse to ever acknowledge any accomplishment on my part. It's real important to them to believe that I'm a liar who never went to school and that I never read a book. Of course they wouldn't know a decent book from a hole in the ground.<br /><br />since the atehsit motivation is the rush of supiriority they feel from mocking and ridiculing religouis people it really disrupts their addiction to ego to realize that a Christian is so much more advanced than they are, they have to deny that I have any intellectual acuity at all becuase the whole concept of a Christian begin a better intellectual is a disproof of their ideology, a priori. Especially one who was an atheist and is a Christian.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> & I have divulged virtually nothing of these matters to you.<br /><br /><b>I am sure you have 14 Ph.D's and have been in graduate school all your life.</b><br /><br /><br /> You come across as extremely angry & defensive. <br /><br /><br /><b>No! really? I just can't think that why would be unless, the fact that thousands of people ho hate who don't know anything about me, my character is being assassinated every day on 30 websites all over the net, 20 people at a time gang up on me every time I post on a message board, hundreds of people work round the clock to foment the idea that I never accomplished any of the things I am proudest of, I wonder why I would feel put upon?</b><br /><br /><br />I genuinely feel sorry for you.<br /><br /><br /><b>I bet I am a lot happier than you are. I bet I'm a lot stronger than you are. I bet I've come through a lot more than you have.</b><br /><br /><br /> It must be painful to go through life in this state of mind.Have you ever gone into counselling in an effort to mitigate or totally lose this hostility ?<br /><br /><b>have you ever taken a self actualization measurement test? Do you know your IQ? My IQ 142, what is yours? Stop trying to play this little game. you are not strong, you are not complete you are not whole, you are not together. You are not a strong person and you can't cope with life, or you wouldn't be part of a hate group. You obviously need to ridicule other people to put your self up. you must put other down to put yourself up, that is not the m ark of a strong person, that is the mark a sick weak person.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /> You can be helped, Joe.There are numerous agencies that can guide you to the help you apparently have a need for.<br /><br /><b>You don't know anything about mental health, you don't know anything about couceling or helping people or any of that. yo ar enot strong and you are not the srt of person who helps anyone. you have no idea what youa re talking<br /><br />I am the sort of person who helps people I gave up my whole ilfe to care for loved one's It cost evertying I ever wanted, but I'm moving on. I have a fine positive life and I'm happy and I'm writting my books and they gonna be published. I"m wililng to bet you cannot say any of that.<br /><br />yo are so out of this discussion you do not even understand that all of the little psychological game playing motifs you employ can be quantified and they all have studies to back them up. you clearly have no knowledge of any studies. you don't' know the material I do.<br /><br />religious belief makes you strong. doubt makes you weak. you are weak and sick. You need to put down other people to feel good about yourself. that is sick.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-55041169744516754402009-12-03T21:27:55.928-08:002009-12-03T21:27:55.928-08:00Joe, Not all Atheists are communists.Politically I...Joe, Not all Atheists are communists.Politically I am an independent. Re my education, intellect, background in reading,etc., you know no more of me than I do of you. Even less, as you continually tell me of your vast educational background & your immensely superior intellect, & I have divulged virtually nothing of these matters to you. You come across as extremely angry & defensive. I genuinely feel sorry for you. It must be painful to go through life in this state of mind.Have you ever gone into counselling in an effort to mitigate or totally lose this hostility ? You can be helped, Joe.There are numerous agencies that can guide you to the help you apparently have a need for.billwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16939002900765689022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-45029593204634503542009-12-03T20:47:17.409-08:002009-12-03T20:47:17.409-08:00Bill, you are truely ignorant. you really can'...Bill, you are truely ignorant. you really can't understand that I'm smarter than you? I am far more intellectual than you will ever be don't you get it?<br /><br />I've read many many many times more books than you have and they are more intellectual books. From spending all my time on theology I was a Ph.D. candidate in a secular history of ideas program don't you know that?<br /><br />I have read far more secular books that you have, and they good deep smart very important books. I am much better educated than you are. that's just a fact. I'm not putting you down. I know that I am. I used to be an atheist too.<br /><br />I am more intellectual than you are. I was more so in highschool. I was an atheist in high school and early college and I read more books on atheism than you ever will.<br /><br />Philosophy, Literature, anthropology. I was a sociology major. I completely a whole 26 mour major in sociology. that requires a lot of reading in social sciences most of it not accepting of religion. sociologists tend to be atheists.<br /><br />I was a communist,do you not know that? I've read much more political theory than you have and all by economists who are atheist don't you know that?<br /><br />communists are atheist. I was a communist. ergo I was an atheist, and I was. I read a bunch of Marx, Trotsky, Gromski and other Marxist thinkers. I published an academic Journal on Marcuse.<br /><br />I am far better read than you are.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-57339741256731917212009-12-03T20:10:57.983-08:002009-12-03T20:10:57.983-08:00I am sorry that you are hyper-sensitive. I am myse...I am sorry that you are hyper-sensitive. I am myself 'blessed' with a hide that makes an elephant appear thin-skinned. My typing rate is about 3-4 words a minute. So I take short-cuts in an endeavor to accomplish more in the finite time I have daily & on this earth. Joe I freely acknowledge that you are FAR more versed in the bible than I. I read it only once. On our ship in the Pacific we were very short on reading material for a long time. I read it, & discarded it as 'The ravings of a maniac' to borrow Thomas Jefferson's comment on his reading of the Apocolypse. I thereby escaped from the Catholicism of my years up until then. I rever resumed my relationship with it after the war. And never regretted it either. Joe, if you spent even a fraction of the time you spent on Xianity & apologetics in reading books I could refer you to, a TINY fraction, you would join us at ExChristian.net. Please let me know if you would like me to Email you a list of books I'vd read & heartily recommend.billwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16939002900765689022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-43319259042402118432009-12-03T19:46:44.855-08:002009-12-03T19:46:44.855-08:00Xians is a very common abbreviation of the word Ch...Xians is a very common abbreviation of the word Christian. Only hyper-sensitive zealous Xians object to it. They do not object to BC & AD as valid abbreviations for reference to their deity. Think of it that way, & be a little more accepting of differences among people.<br /><br /><b>asshole is also a very common from of address, that doesn't make it less insulting.<br /><br />in Texas back in the 60s southern bigots would use the term "nego" to be polite but they mean N**** When we would say "they don't like to be called that anymore, now you should call them "Black, or African American." They would say "you must be one of those hyupersensative liberal. Negro is just fine it's a term of respect.<br /><br />if you can't use the form of address the people you are addressing want then you are a bigot. You don't don't get to dictate what names people are called by. Trying to do that shows you have no respect for them.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-36465788951579047632009-12-03T19:33:10.605-08:002009-12-03T19:33:10.605-08:00Xians is a very common abbreviation of the word Ch...Xians is a very common abbreviation of the word Christian. Only hyper-sensitive zealous Xians object to it. They do not object to BC & AD as valid abbreviations for reference to their deity. Think of it that way, & be a little more accepting of differences among people.billwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16939002900765689022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-4877500433032697152009-12-02T08:45:52.276-08:002009-12-02T08:45:52.276-08:00I don't understand the T thing.
To be fair th...I don't understand the T thing.<br /><br />To be fair the X in Xeon is the equivalent of the Greek letter Ki which is what the word Christos begins with. So like people write Xmas for Christmas it is not derogatory.<br /><br />But I still feel that their use of it on message boards is derogatory because I don't think they are smart enough and I rarely find an atheist who knows Greek.<br /><br />why not just say "Christian?"Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-12013555074771613922009-12-02T08:41:31.934-08:002009-12-02T08:41:31.934-08:00What's with Xian?
Does Writing "Christ&qu...What's with Xian?<br />Does Writing "Christ" pain the atheist, like a cross does (or at least did) Hollywood vampires? <br />If we all used variations on Orthodox crosses, maybe.<br />I move they refer to us as T-ians (TEE-ians), although t just doesn't work as well visually.Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474497646507178537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-8864535764208127652009-12-01T07:48:17.578-08:002009-12-01T07:48:17.578-08:00I can tell those guys on the ex Christian board ar...I can tell those guys on the ex Christian board are right on top of the facts. They can't even site the right author. I shutter to think what they've taken out of context from the book.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-52024134796301715782009-12-01T07:47:30.097-08:002009-12-01T07:47:30.097-08:00Don't look now Bill But you got the guy's ...Don't look now Bill But you got the guy's name wrong. I take it you have not read the book because you are quoting it and attributing it to the wrong author. <i>When God becomes a drug</i> is not by Bart Aikin (the only one I can find by that name is a commedian and his name has an "e" in it: Aikien.<br /><br />The book you speak of, the only one by that title I can find is by Leo Booth.<br /><br /><br /><br />about the book by Leo Booth, you are misusing it Bill and misquoting it.<br /><br />Booth is a Priest (Episcopal) he does not say that all religion is addiction. There are books on atheism as an addiction. But Booth's purpose is not to destroy religion.<br /><br />He's talking about the kind of religious literaism and fundism that I'm against. He doesn't have any data, he's not deal with the scientific studies that I use and neither are you.<br /><br />here's an excerpt statement from a review of his book:<br /><br />"And yet he says that there is nothing in the nature of religion which makes it unhealthy in itself, and that it is possible for a neurotic to use a healthy belief system in an unhealthy way. Booth writes that it is not necessarily the contents of the belief that make a system addictive, but rather the personal rigidity of its purveyors who discourage any kind of questioning or disbelief."<br />--John A. SpeyrerJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-28658511985756740732009-12-01T07:23:38.721-08:002009-12-01T07:23:38.721-08:00Joe, I read all of you post. I know you had a toug...Joe, I read all of you post. I know you had a tough time. I'm glad you have that bgehind you. Bu god/jesus had nothing to do with it. <br /><br /><b>Meta: Sure did. You have no right to say that, you weren't there are you don't know. Explain how my father's vital signs changed before the eyes of the ER guys? they thought it was impossible. explain it? you can't. you can only dismiss it.</b><br /><br /><br /><br />Ple4ase Joe, read " When God Becomes a Drug." Joe this book w2as written for YOU. You have nothing to lose but your delusions.<br /><br /><b>I can disprove that book in one sitting. It's a pack of lies, its not science, it's crap and I can prove it. He is not tapped into the research. He has not read the studies or he would know better.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /> Join us at ExChristian.net. You will be as welcome as the flowers in May. Share your experiences & your thoughts with us. You may write as a Xian or a former Xian. Many people start with us as Xians, & are 'won over'.<br /><br /><br /><b>Meta:If you use the atehist version of hte N word here again I'll ban you. hear? I do not allow people to call blacks N____ers, and I don't allow atheist to call Christians by their version of that word. you know what it is.<br /><br />I also resent your liaizness that you are incapable of understanding and you assume something is wrong with me and not with you.<br /><br />you are depressed you have no hope you think life is shit you know you do. you have nothing to offer but death and being worm food. while you live you live for meaningless pleasure and when you die you are dead all over, thrilling. I had enough of that when I was an atheist.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /> But you are very welcome to make posts as a Xian.<br /><br /><b>you are welcome to make posts as a "N_____" here.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /> It is POSSIBLE that you can make some4one revert to Xianity, thru reasoning, tho I haven't seen anyone who did that, to my knowledge. But I reaslly think it will give you the experiences & thoughts of other people who have suffered as you did.<br /><br /><br /><b>I guess I'll do a blog thing that guy's ignorant book, so you might want to watch for it.<br /><br />send him to my boards for 1x1 debate and I'll tear him apart.</b><br /><br />8:08 PMJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-78750734623334003592009-11-30T20:08:24.556-08:002009-11-30T20:08:24.556-08:00Joe, I read all of you post. I know you had a toug...Joe, I read all of you post. I know you had a tough time. I'm glad you have that bgehind you. Bu god/jesus had nothing to do with it. Ple4ase Joe, read " When God Becomes a Drug." Joe this book w2as written for YOU. You have nothing to lose but your delusions. Join us at ExChristian.net. You will be as welcome as the flowers in May. Share your experiences & your thoughts with us. You may write as a Xian or a former Xian. Many people start with us as Xians, & are 'won over'. But you are very welcome to make posts as a Xian. It is POSSIBLE that you can make some4one revert to Xianity, thru reasoning, tho I haven't seen anyone who did that, to my knowledge. But I reaslly think it will give you the experiences & thoughts of other people who have suffered as you did.billwalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16939002900765689022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-86282004212976173732009-11-30T07:10:51.028-08:002009-11-30T07:10:51.028-08:00that's why I call them "Dawkamentalists.&...that's why I call them "Dawkamentalists."<br /><br /> 4:03 PM<br /> Delete<br />Blogger MonkeyBarrs said...<br /><br /> Thanks for telling more of your personal story. I found your blog a few months ago when I was struggling with the news of my wife's cancer diagnosis. You have been very encouraging to my faith during this yuky time, and helped me work through a few things intellectually. One day, when I have time, I might even start an argument with you. ;)<br /><br /> 8:58 PM<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>that's great man. that makes me feel good to know I helped someone with a real problem.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-38069770752399148092009-11-29T20:58:42.743-08:002009-11-29T20:58:42.743-08:00Thanks for telling more of your personal story. I...Thanks for telling more of your personal story. I found your blog a few months ago when I was struggling with the news of my wife's cancer diagnosis. You have been very encouraging to my faith during this yuky time, and helped me work through a few things intellectually. One day, when I have time, I might even start an argument with you. ;)MonkeyBarrshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00238340877629385013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-11031032944655117632009-11-29T16:33:03.548-08:002009-11-29T16:33:03.548-08:00I think my reply got lost? I also said it sounds ...I think my reply got lost? I also said it sounds like evangelical fundamentalism rooted it in a flat literalist mindset...tinythinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137637122776756669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-35629091852144915372009-11-29T16:03:39.092-08:002009-11-29T16:03:39.092-08:00that's why I call them "Dawkamentalists.&...that's why I call them "Dawkamentalists."Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-49787132866180993372009-11-29T10:08:35.238-08:002009-11-29T10:08:35.238-08:00You go, Joe. *grin*
I wonder if Bill Walker reali...You go, Joe. *grin*<br /><br />I wonder if Bill Walker realizes how much his words sound like fundamentalist evangelism? The way he makes judgments about you, decides what's best for you, and blithely assumes that all you need is to embrace the life he has chosen to be free from something he in his wisdom knows is bad for you. . .Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.com