tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post5363961327347268861..comments2024-03-29T03:30:25.637-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Hans Urs Von Balthasar, Being itself, and the Personal GodJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-65883445838932602952018-08-20T06:29:31.084-07:002018-08-20T06:29:31.084-07:00right, that guy.right, that guy.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-55229412515164343912018-08-19T20:34:46.500-07:002018-08-19T20:34:46.500-07:00Ooooowwwwwww!!!!! Not so haaaaarrrrrrrrdddddd!!!!!...Ooooowwwwwww!!!!! Not so haaaaarrrrrrrrdddddd!!!!!!!!!7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-63071814063035823852018-08-15T23:48:10.433-07:002018-08-15T23:48:10.433-07:00yes he was Stooge five. He is on Joey Bishop (circ...yes he was Stooge five. He is on Joey Bishop (circa 1966) I see re runs at 4am on antenna tv. That bit was also on I love Lucy,that's where I remember it from best.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-44045718311588987512018-08-15T14:39:34.906-07:002018-08-15T14:39:34.906-07:00I'll check it out. I think it's funny. I r...I'll check it out. I think it's funny. I remember that routine from the Old "Abbot and Costello" TV show which I watched in reruns as a kid. Joe Besser was on that. He played "Stinky," a bratty little kid, pre-the 3 Stooges. But we digress...7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-42360988228327368172018-08-14T21:56:51.977-07:002018-08-14T21:56:51.977-07:00Jim, my sister put up a post on face book that say...Jim, my sister put up a post on face book that says "Niagara falls." it has a video of the falls all it says is Niagara falls. I said "slowly I turn..." no one got it. You are the only person I know who would get that. you might not think its funny but you would get it.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-16964995070207746532018-08-14T21:45:52.363-07:002018-08-14T21:45:52.363-07:00Ok I can buy that, that makes sense to me thanks m...Ok I can buy that, that makes sense to me thanks man.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-27644166714222224202018-08-14T11:36:19.435-07:002018-08-14T11:36:19.435-07:00I think you confuse being itself with sum total of...<i>I think you confuse being itself with sum total of all being. I will pick out some stuff to link you to.</i><br /><br />I don't think I'm doing that. I think you're referring to the Gilsonian idea of the exemplary act of being. I'm talking about how it makes more sense to me that freedom possibility and creativity would be intrinsic to God's nature, as it is to human nature and to all of nature, in order to account for the existence of a world such as this one.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-25389900416480065592018-08-12T23:35:33.225-07:002018-08-12T23:35:33.225-07:007 reading that article again I see the point you a...7 reading that article again I see the point you are making,I think you may have a good point there.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-20917162388959568842018-08-12T23:19:07.960-07:002018-08-12T23:19:07.960-07:00read todays post on being itself, also go to the s...read todays post on being itself, also go to the stand alone pages, chick on "God" and then see beingg itself categories and read those.<br /><br />below masthead see words God, Jesus,science, ect click on GodJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-33987585431196864822018-08-12T23:05:49.135-07:002018-08-12T23:05:49.135-07:00I think you confuse being itself with sum total of...I think you confuse being itself with sum total of all being. I will pick out some stuff to link you to.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-30416664762669104122018-08-12T23:04:28.354-07:002018-08-12T23:04:28.354-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-69850663313000620672018-08-12T13:05:33.782-07:002018-08-12T13:05:33.782-07:00I don't see how "becoming" and "...I don't see how "becoming" and "possibility' are analogous with "quarks" and "gravity." I have a hard time seeing how creativity and freedom are like darkness being caused by God blocking the light if you assume that God freely created the world at all. <br /><br />Maybe the burden is on the "God is Being Itself" advocates to explain how infinite Being infinitely sufficient unto itself would be able to or have need to create a finite contingent world of becoming.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-33611061282533121042018-08-11T13:16:51.895-07:002018-08-11T13:16:51.895-07:007th Stooge said...
You didn't respond to my q...7th Stooge said...<br /><br />You didn't respond to my question: <br />Wouldn;t God have to incorporate into himself non-being in the form of possibility, potentiality, freedom, creativity, becoming, negation, etc, if those things are fundamentally real?<br /><br /><b>That seems lie a pantheistic view of God.Why would God have to have apart of himself aspects that are not part of him or his character just because they are aspects of reality? if God created reality he doens;t have to have reality in himself,<br /><br /><br />If God creates light darkness is caused by God blocking the light, darkness doesn't have to be part of God as an part of his physical make up to be real it just needs to have God block i the sun,</b><br /><br />No one is questioning whether God is "spirit and truth" but what spirit and truth are. No one is questioning the possibility of God's self-revelation either. But even you have said that God cannot reveal everything about his nature to finite minds.<br /><br /><b>My point about Spirit and truth is in answer to the assertion that we can't make positive knowledge.We can if no other way then at least throuh revleation.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-17924224498983339702018-08-11T10:36:29.399-07:002018-08-11T10:36:29.399-07:00You didn't respond to my question:
Wouldn;t G...<br />You didn't respond to my question: <br />Wouldn;t God have to incorporate into himself non-being in the form of possibility, potentiality, freedom, creativity, becoming, negation, etc, if those things are fundamentally real?<br /><br />No one is questioning whether God is "spirit and truth" but what spirit and truth are. No one is questioning the possibility of God's self-revelation either. But even you have said that God cannot reveal everything about his nature to finite minds. 7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-66628732778848003412018-08-10T16:56:16.277-07:002018-08-10T16:56:16.277-07:00Mike Gerow said...
At the risk of tripping up and ... Mike Gerow said...<br />At the risk of tripping up and offering a formulation of our own, we could mention Nicolas of Cuso's concept of "posse ipsum" - ie "infinite possibility," according to some interpreters ....<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>you are ignoring the possibility of God'[s self revelation</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-74486977671687954282018-08-10T16:55:01.679-07:002018-08-10T16:55:01.679-07:007th Stooge said...
Yeah, I think Mike's on to ...7th Stooge said...<br />Yeah, I think Mike's on to something. As soon as you essentialize God into a formula, you're verging on maybe idolatry. The way I see it, God would be beyond formulation, except metaphorically. <br /><br />Wouldn;t God have to incorporate into himself non-being in the form of possibility, potentiality, freedom, creativity, becoming, negation, etc, if those things are fundamentally real?<br /><br /><b>I don'y think so. Jesus said God is spirit and truth, that is limiting in some way it Jesus said it,<br /><br />Limiting God not being contradiction is not limiting God in a way that creates idolatry idolatry is not limiting God it's imposing false God between you and God</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-83423291071067051482018-08-10T16:21:45.106-07:002018-08-10T16:21:45.106-07:00At the risk of tripping up and offering a formulat...At the risk of tripping up and offering a formulation of our own, we could mention Nicolas of Cuso's concept of "posse ipsum" - ie "infinite possibility," according to some interpreters ....<br /><br /><br />:-oMike Gerowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630695728013930638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-41163654925398901002018-08-10T15:23:33.779-07:002018-08-10T15:23:33.779-07:00Yeah, I think Mike's on to something. As soon ...Yeah, I think Mike's on to something. As soon as you essentialize God into a formula, you're verging on maybe idolatry. The way I see it, God would be beyond formulation, except metaphorically. <br /><br />Wouldn;t God have to incorporate into himself non-being in the form of possibility, potentiality, freedom, creativity, becoming, negation, etc, if those things are fundamentally real? 7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-44509332489733416412018-08-10T10:05:34.075-07:002018-08-10T10:05:34.075-07:00Do you think both God's "being" and ...Do you think both God's "being" and God's trascendance of being still have to viewed as essentially metaphorical? Mike Gerowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630695728013930638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-55999174152548236802018-08-10T10:03:49.917-07:002018-08-10T10:03:49.917-07:00No, I think he's saying that to limit God'...No, I think he's saying that to limit God's being to anything within our understanding might be....well, essentially idolatrous? <br /><br />(The idea that some formulation of a given phenomena isn't a sufficient explanation doesn't have to include an alternative -- a fantastic one or otherwise -- since it could just be left open, called "mysterious" or whatever)Mike Gerowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630695728013930638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-30281204446104357182018-08-10T06:55:58.907-07:002018-08-10T06:55:58.907-07:00That works if you are stalking about two states of...That works if you are stalking about two states of being, But if you are talking about transcending being then all you are saying is you want to fantasize. Go for it.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-52037978196685138432018-08-10T05:07:32.543-07:002018-08-10T05:07:32.543-07:00Two dimensions go beyond one dimension but don'...Two dimensions go beyond one dimension but don't cease including one dimension. I transcend the reptilian mind but don't cease incorporating the reptilian mind. So Idon't really understand your point.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-86276942322769959542018-08-09T16:49:40.250-07:002018-08-09T16:49:40.250-07:00transcend means to go beyond,you can;t go beyond b...transcend means to go beyond,you can;t go beyond being because then you wont exist,Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-32236325900421585222018-08-09T14:46:16.929-07:002018-08-09T14:46:16.929-07:00I don't get much sense from your statement. Co...I don't get much sense from your statement. Could you try to explain it a little?7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-12288953808398426372018-08-08T21:28:51.582-07:002018-08-08T21:28:51.582-07:00I don't get much sense from that statement, if...I don't get much sense from that statement, if God transcends being he is beyond existence. That does not mean anything to me.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.com