tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post5321821784502508607..comments2024-03-28T00:48:19.961-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Atheists say the Darndest ThingsJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-6942219378809200592008-10-11T19:41:00.000-07:002008-10-11T19:41:00.000-07:00Certainly science doesn't give value, but the use ...Certainly science doesn't give value, but the use of it has provided things that have value, some that many would consider indispensable. Is there a discipline that is vitally important all by it's self?<BR/><BR/><B>Of course, a bunch of them: art, music, literature, philosophy, ethics.<BR/><BR/>no one said there's a choice between doing science and not doing it. that was never the issue.</B>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-52542045053488002822008-10-11T10:26:00.000-07:002008-10-11T10:26:00.000-07:00I would say, Mike, that that discipline which is d...I would say, Mike, that that discipline which is devoted to the determination of what is vitally important (ie., ethics or the philosophy of ethics), is vitally important in and of itself. But it seemed to me that the point Joe was trying to make in asking the question was that science is a tool-- a means towards an end, not an end in itself.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-82169998170952477212008-10-10T16:49:00.000-07:002008-10-10T16:49:00.000-07:00"Science cannot give value to anything, but can on...<I>"Science cannot give value to anything, but can only state how things work."</I><BR/><BR/>Certainly science doesn't give value, but the use of it has provided things that have value, some that many would consider indispensable. Is there a discipline that is vitally important all by it's self?Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-32457671097662650242008-10-09T12:26:00.000-07:002008-10-09T12:26:00.000-07:00Mike said,Modern medicine? Though I suppose it's n...Mike said,<BR/><BR/><I>Modern medicine? Though I suppose it's not vitally important if you don't mind going back to 40 year life spans.</I><BR/><BR/>It seems to me, Mike, that you are still making reference to a discipline outside of science, in the value you give to mankind's longevity in interpreting "vitally important." Science cannot give value to anything, but can only state how things work. What is "vitally important" is thus not a question that can be answered by pure science alone.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-79649273902457362812008-10-09T12:20:00.000-07:002008-10-09T12:20:00.000-07:00Oh, I know what he was assuming Joe, and it doesn'...Oh, I know what he was assuming Joe, and it doesn't surprise me. I was just trying to answer Tom's question<BR/><BR/><B>I get you. no problem.</B>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-70023755991015417642008-10-09T12:14:00.000-07:002008-10-09T12:14:00.000-07:00Oh, I know what he was assuming Joe, and it doesn'...Oh, I know what he was assuming Joe, and it doesn't surprise me. I was just trying to answer Tom's question.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-28643294540485607752008-10-09T08:58:00.001-07:002008-10-09T08:58:00.001-07:00Somehow I'm not surprised to find out it didn't wo...Somehow I'm not surprised to find out it didn't work...<BR/><BR/><B>LOL</B>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-90240266275709786832008-10-09T08:58:00.000-07:002008-10-09T08:58:00.000-07:00"For what is science vitally important? Please ans..."For what is science vitally important? Please answer without reference to any discipline outside of science."<BR/><BR/>Modern medicine? Though I suppose it's not vitally important if you don't mind going back to 40 year life spans.<BR/><BR/><B>He's assuming I'm saying we need to stop having science. This is the kind of mature response you get on CARM, serious thinkers, mature ideas, always sharp and understand quickly and have a well read back ground in modern thought.<BR/><BR/>then woke up for the dream...</B>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-33715701113599147962008-10-09T05:28:00.000-07:002008-10-09T05:28:00.000-07:00"For what is science vitally important? Please ans...<I>"For what is science vitally important? Please answer without reference to any discipline outside of science."</I><BR/><BR/>Modern medicine? Though I suppose it's not vitally important if you don't mind going back to 40 year life spans.Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-55202268166834915572008-10-09T03:08:00.000-07:002008-10-09T03:08:00.000-07:00Somehow I'm not surprised to find out it didn't wo...Somehow I'm not surprised to find out it didn't work...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-67640032293792014922008-10-08T17:21:00.000-07:002008-10-08T17:21:00.000-07:00That's a good approach. Unfortunately, I tried it ...That's a good approach. Unfortunately, I tried it with him, I don't think he got it.<BR/><BR/>but thanks for the post.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-83145044803824426832008-10-08T13:58:00.000-07:002008-10-08T13:58:00.000-07:00Very entertaining!This from Sofaking is very telli...Very entertaining!<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showpost.php?p=3629762&postcount=35" REL="nofollow">This from Sofaking</A> is very telling:<BR/><BR/><I>You have not shown its [philosophy's] vital importance, whereas the vital importance of science is plainly evident to all. We could do just fine without philosophy. It's fun to ask dopey questions and sit and ponder about them, but let's quit fooling ourselves about the "vital importance" of this undisciplined speculation.</I><BR/><BR/>Question for sofaking: For what is science vitally important? Please answer without reference to any discipline outside of science. Be especially cautious not to draw on any philosophical methods or traditions, since they are so manifestly unimportant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com