tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post4084787878275240043..comments2024-03-28T15:31:02.860-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Answering Atheist Divide and Conquor: Why so Many Different Views of God?Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-57140245826471511602012-03-06T14:44:26.640-08:002012-03-06T14:44:26.640-08:00You should do some reading on the cognitive flaws ...You should do some reading on the cognitive flaws of humans, specifically those related to memory distortion. You have never experienced the holy spirit or any intervention of gods in your life. It's all in your head. You aren't special. Get over it. <br /><br /><b>you have given your heart and soul to satan and you are a spawn of evil. I don't need the gift of discernment to know you are a creep Steven. <br /><br />If you say it I know it's a lie because that's your native lanague.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-75877806630038442792012-03-06T13:54:40.762-08:002012-03-06T13:54:40.762-08:00You should do some reading on the cognitive flaws ...You should do some reading on the cognitive flaws of humans, specifically those related to memory distortion. You have never experienced the holy spirit or any intervention of gods in your life. It's all in your head. You aren't special. Get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-47440398593549570462012-03-06T07:23:36.947-08:002012-03-06T07:23:36.947-08:00DAVE:
I have written various replies in the last c...DAVE:<br />I have written various replies in the last couple of months to posts which suggest or imply something along these lines, and you keep making this assertion. Oh, people know it's real they just don't know they know because they don't want to know. Yet when I give you evidence of sincere seekers who don't fit your claim above you just say you can't explain it. So why keep making a claim when there is contradictory evidence you for which you cannot give an adequate account? Or at least acknowledge such contrary evidence in your posts?<br /><br /><b>I have given an adequate account. William James bases it upon his empirical observations and Wuthnow bases it upon James but felt that his research confirmed it. <br /><br />I don't see the evidence you offer as a counter as really definative. all you say really--boiled down, other people differently. Well sure they that's why they deny it.<br /><br />I think you misunderstand.I never meant to say that I know what's going on in people's heads. I never meant to say 'everyone knows i'm right they just want say it.' I'm not saying everyone is denying what they experience at a subliminal level. How could they if it's subliminal? Can't deny it if you don't know about it. I thin some people deny that doesn't' all do.<br /><br />It's not exactly the subliminal level hey are denying but subsequent "hints." not everyone is denying it.</b><br /><br />"For both of us God created all things and makes all things what they are and determines the nature of right and wrong, is the origin and source of love, meaning and truth. No fundies will ever deny those things."<br /><br />"Not all Christians believe that, although most probably due, and Buddhists and many in other Eastern religions definitely would not accept this, making your own characterization of the essentials of God itself a cultural construct. You have to have a much more stripped down version of God if you want it to be a potential candidate for the truth behind all mystical experiences."<br /><br /><b>everything's a cultural constrict. I am aware that my understanding is just part of the metaphor. what else can I do but reflect my current state of understanding?</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-45282855532309416672012-03-06T07:17:45.556-08:002012-03-06T07:17:45.556-08:00I would say that indeed many people abandon or mod...I would say that indeed many people abandon or modify Christianity precisely because they do not care for or cannot accept some of the basic premises about the Christian view of God (and see my comment to the previous post on the problems of personifying God for more on that issue).<br /><br />Christianity will either properly frame this overly anthropomorphized imagery of "God as Creator", "God as King", "God as Redeemer" (by emphasizing its symbolic nature and correcting for its over literalization) or else the fundamentalists will completely take over. The rest will become more like Buddhists or Advaita Vedantists, wherein the older more hierarchical and controlling order gave way to a more inclusive, universalizing, and de-centralized system. <br /><br /><br /><b>I agree with that. that's pretty sharp</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-16968039391683053402012-03-05T10:10:23.444-08:002012-03-05T10:10:23.444-08:00To clarify, I didn't include another quote in ...To clarify, I didn't include another quote in my post. I appreciate that in my second quote Metacrock was talking about a potential unifying view of Gog for all Christians, but I meant to also have some stuff there from his other section on the universal nature of God.<br /><br />I would say that indeed many people abandon or modify Christianity precisely because they do not care for or cannot accept some of the basic premises about the Christian view of God (and see my comment to the previous post on the problems of personifying God for more on that issue).<br /><br />Christianity will either properly frame this overly anthropomorphized imagery of "God as Creator", "God as King", "God as Redeemer" (by emphasizing its symbolic nature and correcting for its over literalization) or else the fundamentalists will completely take over. The rest will become more like Buddhists or Advaita Vedantists, wherein the older more hierarchical and controlling order gave way to a more inclusive, universalizing, and de-centralized system.tinythinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137637122776756669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-80233753440193587522012-03-05T09:58:53.029-08:002012-03-05T09:58:53.029-08:00I hope things are going well for you and your fami...I hope things are going well for you and your family, and as long as you make new posts I will respond as interest in the topic and available time dictate.<br /><br /><i>Yes I am saying that even people who don't believe in God experience God as some level, however slight, they don't pay attention. </i><br /><br />I have written various replies in the last couple of months to posts which suggest or imply something along these lines, and you keep making this assertion. Oh, people know it's real they just don't know they know because they don't want to know. Yet when I give you evidence of sincere seekers who don't fit your claim above you just say you can't explain it. So why keep making a claim when there is contradictory evidence you for which you cannot give an adequate account? Or at least acknowledge such contrary evidence in your posts?<br /><br /><i>For both of us God created all things and makes all things what they are and determines the nature of right and wrong, is the origin and source of love, meaning and truth. No fundies will ever deny those things.</i><br /><br />Not all Christians believe that, although most probably due, and Buddhists and many in other Eastern religions definitely would not accept this, making your own characterization of the essentials of God itself a cultural construct. You have to have a much more stripped down version of God if you want it to be a potential candidate for the truth behind all mystical experiences.tinythinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137637122776756669noreply@blogger.com