tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post2375325102259368637..comments2024-03-28T15:31:02.860-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Answering Attack on my Experience ArgumentJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-5706510492050065632009-07-17T17:08:44.366-07:002009-07-17T17:08:44.366-07:00that link leads to the place in the book where he ...that link leads to the place in the book where he starts talking about the M scale, but you should go back and read that whole chapter.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-65840862716749832062009-07-17T17:07:55.648-07:002009-07-17T17:07:55.648-07:00you can't do better than to read this section ...you can't do better than to read this section from the <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=N6RtrzRvhh8C&pg=PA321&lpg=PA321&dq=the+validity+of+the+Ralph+Hood++M+scale&source=web&ots=VcsDhUIz4F&sig=Ucv_mkRY7FoEzGTzdw3qvUZV6gI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result" rel="nofollow"><b>text book by Hood.</b></a> <br /><br /><br />He invented the scale. Hes' the foremost researcher on this topic in he world today. He's done about 50 of the major studies in the field. His scale is standard procedure in the field of psychology of religion.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-48626789925365765892009-07-17T14:37:29.005-07:002009-07-17T14:37:29.005-07:00Alright, fair enough. Looks what I need to do is ...Alright, fair enough. Looks what I need to do is read all your blogs on M-Scale unless you have other recommendations.Jeff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04502136139528025066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-48065793935237335182009-07-17T08:55:21.116-07:002009-07-17T08:55:21.116-07:00I believe what remains is the larger issue of whet...I believe what remains is the larger issue of whether mystical experience can ever be confirmed other than by the experiencer - by the M scale or other methods.<br /><br />It seems to me that we are separated from one another and that you can never get into my head or vice versa. I've blogged about your "dialogue" with the Kid in the post "Mystical Experience Cannot Be Defined by Brain Activity" on my website. (www.sophiesladder.com)<br /><br /><br /><b>right right right right right right right. But we have that probelm wtih all things.<br /><br />Now the M scale has the advantage that it follows the categories of Stace, who basically read all the great mystics and distilled what they said. The M scale validates those categories. So that means it's must closer, although not perfect, to getting a real handle on the phenomena at least in terms what the experincers themselves say.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-50851309044096307142009-07-17T07:39:34.208-07:002009-07-17T07:39:34.208-07:00J.L.,
I agree, Kidnonothing missed your point that...J.L.,<br />I agree, Kidnonothing missed your point that if one cannot confirm Y (mystical experience) is happening, then one cannot assert that X causes Y; and he definitely starts with the biased assumption that only the physical is real, so mystical experiences must be physical if they are indeed occurring. <br /><br />I believe what remains is the larger issue of whether mystical experience can ever be confirmed other than by the experiencer - by the M scale or other methods. <br /><br />It seems to me that we are separated from one another and that you can never get into my head or vice versa. I've blogged about your "dialogue" with the Kid in the post "Mystical Experience Cannot Be Defined by Brain Activity" on my website. (www.sophiesladder.com)Jeff Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04502136139528025066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-41106684560573192592009-07-15T08:06:07.741-07:002009-07-15T08:06:07.741-07:00Works Considered:
Reinert, and Stifler. Hood's...Works Considered:<br />Reinert, and Stifler. Hood's M-Scale Revisited: a factor-analytic replication. Journal of the Scientific Study of Religion, 1993, 32, (4), pp. 383-388.<br /><br />Stifler et al. An Empirical Investigation into the Discriminability of Reported Mystical Experiences Among Religious Contemplatives, Psychotic Inpatients, and Normal Adults. Journal of the Scientific Study of Religion, 1993, 32, (4), pp. 366-372.<br /><br /><b>"works considered" if he had actually read those materials and considered them he would have understood how lame his attacks are.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.com