tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post113949635512793362..comments2024-03-28T15:31:02.860-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Atheists, Win Metacrock's House!Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139540001366512202006-02-09T18:53:00.000-08:002006-02-09T18:53:00.000-08:00So if an archaeologist uncovers a document fitting...So if an archaeologist uncovers a document fitting this description and it is accepted as authentic by most scholars you are going to send him the deed to your house? <BR/><BR/><BR/>>>Yes but:<BR/><BR/>(1)he only has a month<BR/><BR/>(2) he has to verify it with other archaeologistsJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139539837126397022006-02-09T18:50:00.000-08:002006-02-09T18:50:00.000-08:00>>>but the people invovled in the case could. The ...>>>but the people invovled in the case could. The Lourde mireacle committee could. I will email them ask them to.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>>>>every wonder why he's afraid to deal with the past medical evidence?<BR/><BR/>The challenge is to demonstrate in a mutually agreed on set of conditions a paranormal or supernatural ability. If someone can perform miraculous healing they are welcome to demonstrate that ability. Heck, if they can simply diagnose, not heal, just diagnose illnesses by paranormal means then they can claim the prize.<BR/><BR/><BR/>>>I said it' not an ability people pozzess its something God does. the healings at Lourdes have arleady been done. but the evidence is there to prove it.<BR/><BR/>When we are talking about a million dollars it wouldnt be difficult to get a doctor who would be willing to hoax the "evidence" for a cut of the prize.<BR/><BR/>The whole point of the prize is to demonstrate that, despite the thousands of people claiming paranormal or supernatural powers, not one can actually demonstrate such abilities under carefully controlled conditions.<BR/><BR/>--othernessJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139536748860241462006-02-09T17:59:00.000-08:002006-02-09T17:59:00.000-08:001) a recorded document, verifiable to meusiums and...1) a recorded document, verifiable to meusiums and other scholars. Something I can look up, not just your word for it. Not "this is in a obscure text in London that has never been published." I'm not saying it has to be published. But I have to be able to call real actual college professors and get their verification on it.<BR/><BR/>(2) a writter of firt century origin<BR/><BR/>(3) must say "Jesus of Nazerath did not exist, and the Gospels that speak of him are a hoax."<BR/><BR/>So if an archaeologist uncovers a document fitting this description and it is accepted as authentic by most scholars you are going to send him the deed to your house?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139536440460282652006-02-09T17:54:00.000-08:002006-02-09T17:54:00.000-08:00>>>but the people invovled in the case could. The ...>>>but the people invovled in the case could. The Lourde mireacle committee could. I will email them ask them to.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>>>>every wonder why he's afraid to deal with the past medical evidence?<BR/><BR/>The challenge is to demonstrate in a mutually agreed on set of conditions a paranormal or supernatural ability. If someone can perform miraculous healing they are welcome to demonstrate that ability. Heck, if they can simply diagnose, not heal, just diagnose illnesses by paranormal means then they can claim the prize.<BR/><BR/>When we are talking about a million dollars it wouldnt be difficult to get a doctor who would be willing to hoax the "evidence" for a cut of the prize.<BR/><BR/>The whole point of the prize is to demonstrate that, despite the thousands of people claiming paranormal or supernatural powers, not one can actually demonstrate such abilities under carefully controlled conditions.<BR/><BR/>--othernessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139535074554845232006-02-09T17:31:00.000-08:002006-02-09T17:31:00.000-08:00Please list for us what you would consider valid p...Please list for us what you would consider valid proof of the nonexistence of Jesus of Nazareth. <BR/><BR/><BR/>>>>already did. <BR/><BR/>(1) a recorded document, verifiable to meusiums and other scholars. Something I can look up, not just your word for it. Not "this is in a obscure text in London that has never been published." I'm not saying it has to be published. But I have to be able to call real actual college professors and get their verification on it.<BR/><BR/>(2) a writter of firt century origin<BR/><BR/>(3) must say "Jesus of Nazerath did not exist, and the Gospels that speak of him are a hoax."<BR/><BR/>is that clear enough?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Randi states (with the agreement of the applicant) before the test what will be considered "passing" the test.<BR/><BR/>>>>why doesn't just deal with the medical evidence that already exists. Are you sure he even mentions Luordes? Because at the time I had my exchange with him he didn't deal with it at all; he did not mention Luordes at all.Ever. Not part of his challege.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>As to your comments concerning James Randi's Million Dollar Challenge and Lourdes, the challenge is for someone to perform anything which would be considered paranormal. Past miracle claims arent subject to the prize. It must be performed under carefully controlled conditions to rule out the possibility of fraud and it must be a particular person claiming to have a paranormal power---not a place having a paranormal power. <BR/><BR/>>>>prayer is not a paranormal power.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The procedure for claiming the prize is for the claimant to state specifically what paranormal feat they can perform, to what degree of accuracy (if applicable) and under what conditions. <BR/><BR/>A faith healer can apply for the prize. A place cannot.<BR/><BR/><BR/>>>>but the people invovled in the case could. The Lourde mireacle committee could. I will email them ask them to.<BR/><BR/>Though if someone claims that they can bring about healings by bringing people to Lourdes that might be a legitimate scientically testable claim open to the prize. <BR/><BR/><BR/>>>>every wonder why he's afraid to deal with the past medical evidence?<BR/>4:02 PMJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139529731595313382006-02-09T16:02:00.000-08:002006-02-09T16:02:00.000-08:00Please list for us what you would consider valid p...Please list for us what you would consider valid proof of the nonexistence of Jesus of Nazareth. Randi states (with the agreement of the applicant) before the test what will be considered "passing" the test.<BR/><BR/>As to your comments concerning James Randi's Million Dollar Challenge and Lourdes, the challenge is for someone to perform anything which would be considered paranormal. Past miracle claims arent subject to the prize. It must be performed under carefully controlled conditions to rule out the possibility of fraud and it must be a particular person claiming to have a paranormal power---not a place having a paranormal power. <BR/><BR/>The procedure for claiming the prize is for the claimant to state specifically what paranormal feat they can perform, to what degree of accuracy (if applicable) and under what conditions. <BR/><BR/>A faith healer can apply for the prize. A place cannot.<BR/><BR/>Though if someone claims that they can bring about healings by bringing people to Lourdes that might be a legitimate scientically testable claim open to the prize.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1139509616914936112006-02-09T10:26:00.000-08:002006-02-09T10:26:00.000-08:00As it turns out, these highschool kids doing that ...As it turns out, these highschool kids doing that are trolls I met on infeidel guy. These are the kind who curse at me and then say I'm intellectually dishonest when I get angry and defned myself.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.com