tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post88483329229063386..comments2024-03-28T13:15:29.740-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Morality Warrants Belief in GodJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-64792096730713374792020-10-13T11:05:18.227-07:002020-10-13T11:05:18.227-07:00We are not saved by doing good deeds or by holding...We are not saved by doing good deeds or by holding right opinion, We are saved by God's grace through our seeking after communion with God. Morality is an out growth of the seeking via our desire to please God.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-1982853937974814172020-10-12T19:50:36.624-07:002020-10-12T19:50:36.624-07:00I thought that was what you were pointing to when ...I thought that was what you were pointing to when you mentioned separation from God.Cuttleboneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022203266007803962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-19505815518930820032020-10-12T19:44:48.603-07:002020-10-12T19:44:48.603-07:00Do you think there are Christian morals based on t... Do you think there are Christian morals based on the possibility of eternal life?<br /><br /><b>not sure what you mean?</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-63732949766044438132020-10-12T19:37:04.529-07:002020-10-12T19:37:04.529-07:00suppose you must die to be faithful, then die, tha...suppose you must die to be faithful, then die, that's what I meant.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-76822231952873736122020-10-12T19:13:40.738-07:002020-10-12T19:13:40.738-07:00How is quality of life not related to survival? Ju...How is quality of life not related to survival? Just because it may be above the base level doesn't mean it isn't a factor. Not sure I understand your second point. Do you think there are Christian morals based on the possibility of eternal life?Cuttleboneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022203266007803962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-16400634437870946602020-10-12T07:04:03.215-07:002020-10-12T07:04:03.215-07:00Not necessarily. We must factor in quality of life...Not necessarily. We must factor in quality of life, If eternal life is separation from God or cessation to exist then sacrifice this life for eternal life,Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-10418126515826703672020-10-11T22:58:16.246-07:002020-10-11T22:58:16.246-07:00I would suggest that survival is the ultimate good...I would suggest that survival is the ultimate good.<br />What is something moral that doesn't impact directly or indirectly upon survival?Cuttleboneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022203266007803962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-81532056202101205302020-10-09T08:06:54.280-07:002020-10-09T08:06:54.280-07:00my point was survival is not the only good. I spok...my point was survival is not the only good. I spoke of the editorial you, not you yourself. If one think morality is just a made up idea. ectJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-3137940990642235452020-10-09T00:20:46.984-07:002020-10-09T00:20:46.984-07:00So what makes anything a "Moral reason"?...So what makes anything a "Moral reason"? <br />When survival is based on being part of a tribe then murder is not a valid means. At least within your tribe.<br />I don't know what you mean by "If you think morality is just some made up idea to get people to do things that's pretty sick." Where have I implied that it is made up? Cuttleboneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022203266007803962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-76495744141285090172020-10-06T23:20:28.045-07:002020-10-06T23:20:28.045-07:00That's not a moral reason. If survival is the ...That's not a moral reason. If survival is the only ought then murder might be a valid means of survival. Why is it immoral? If you think morality is just some made up idea to get people to do things that's pretty sick.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-16061099470826856252020-10-06T21:44:15.139-07:002020-10-06T21:44:15.139-07:00I'm not sure I understand what you mean by
(1...I'm not sure I understand what you mean by <br />(1) Genetic explanations only provide an understanding of behavior, they do not offer the basis of a moral dimension (trying to turn "is" into "ought").<br />Surely if something promotes overall survival then we "ought" to do it?Cuttleboneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022203266007803962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-2084119015572908432020-10-02T02:13:37.989-07:002020-10-02T02:13:37.989-07:00I don't think he sets up an arbitrary rule but...I don't think he sets up an arbitrary rule but he clearly establishes laws such as the 10 commandments. Does God think? I think he just knows he doesn't have to calculate as you or I do. But he must know what is antithetical to love, to his nature. I am sure he has some clear ideas about it.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-21104720984477365402020-10-01T13:17:20.245-07:002020-10-01T13:17:20.245-07:00It depends on what you mean by 'originate.'...It depends on what you mean by 'originate.' God creates the conditions in which the thought "Lying is wrong" can occur, but I don't think he makes lying wrong. Just like the way he creates the conditions in which the thought "1+1=2" can occur in our minds, but he doesn't make it true. 7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-28763243341500778142020-09-30T14:00:23.966-07:002020-09-30T14:00:23.966-07:00yes of course God ordinated morality. The we exhib...yes of course God ordinated morality. The we exhibit that in our own way since we are made in God's image. Then God judges our adherence to it.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-81799767883569330522020-09-30T13:44:14.671-07:002020-09-30T13:44:14.671-07:00According to 4), you're saying God is "tr...According to 4), you're saying God is "translating the good into moral values." But you've also said that "God is love" and that 'love is the background of the moral law,' which would imply that God is less of a translator and more of an author. Are you saying that God is the good as well as being love?7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.com