tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post6903796266657532068..comments2024-03-28T12:26:52.946-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: time for the big scareJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-33344112340591747742020-09-05T08:25:32.698-07:002020-09-05T08:25:32.698-07:00Quote: "This past week I began to really thin...Quote: "This past week I began to really think about Paul's terminology of "Promise" as contrasted with "Law," particularly within Romans 4 and Galatians 3. It seems that if we can zero in on precisely what this mysterious term Promise refers to we can better (or even properly) understand Paul's lesson within these key Justification texts. If Promise has nothing to do with some forensic status or of living a perfectly obedient life, then this would cast some serious doubt on the mainstream Protestant reading of these chapters. Here's what I've found regarding this term.<br /><br />First, let us see where it appears within Romans 4.<br />Rom 4:13-21. 13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring - not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all. 20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.<br />The key term "promise" appears five times in Romans 4 and nine times in Galatians 3. Contrast this to the fact "works" appears three times in Romans 4 and five times in Galatians 3. Despite this key term appearing more often than other terms, it seems we hear a lot about "works" yet almost nothing about what this "promise" actually is about. We saw a similar discrepancy in the recent Rom4/Gal3 Adoption post (HERE). When you see discrepancies such as these, namely focusing on a few verses while ignoring verses that could be much more important, we must suspect a shoddy methodology (hermeneutic)."<br /><br />unnecessarily complicating the concept of promise. of course what is promised is heaven not the moment of getting saved. that has nothing to do with it. The promise is not a reward for works,.<br />Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-25259856018075720252020-09-04T11:55:48.669-07:002020-09-04T11:55:48.669-07:00What do you mean?What do you mean?Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-71551167036017043012020-09-04T07:47:33.542-07:002020-09-04T07:47:33.542-07:00that guy hasn't a clue as to how to interpret ...that guy hasn't a clue as to how to interpret scripture. He basically just ignores passages that prove him wrong on the ground that he can find passages that don't prove him wrong.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-22728824416094709622020-09-03T13:14:59.443-07:002020-09-03T13:14:59.443-07:00Hey Joe,
I was wondering what you thought of thes...Hey Joe,<br /><br />I was wondering what you thought of these articles?:<br /><br />http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2020/07/revisting-abrahams-faith-reckoned-as.html <br /><br />https://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2020/05/revisiting-abrahams-faith-reckoned-as.html<br />Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-24073916446669328482020-08-19T14:24:16.990-07:002020-08-19T14:24:16.990-07:00probably
Maybe a little bit :)probably<br /><br /><b>Maybe a little bit :)</b>7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-36037521710008874272020-08-18T20:17:39.502-07:002020-08-18T20:17:39.502-07:00It seems to me that lots of people get into conspi...It seems to me that lots of people get into conspiracy theories.Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-21258174089735632292020-08-18T11:14:40.469-07:002020-08-18T11:14:40.469-07:00Was it you or not, Joe?Was it you or not, Joe?Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-21463620319434556932020-08-18T07:38:24.366-07:002020-08-18T07:38:24.366-07:00I hope it wasn't me because it;s quite ride Bi...I hope it wasn't me because it;s quite ride Bit it probably was as I have told Im a real piece of work. However I invite you t hang arouind and discuss, i promise I wont insult you.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-53844756411496048092020-08-17T21:46:34.966-07:002020-08-17T21:46:34.966-07:00It was under a post on my blog regarding my intera...It was under a post on my blog regarding my interactions with Randal Rauser. My blog is "Escaping Christian Fundamentalism". A "Joe" left a comment which said: "You couldn’t carry Randal Rauser’s &$*#, you idiot."<br /><br />You and I have had colorful exchanges before, so I thought it might be you.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-78945021825933134072020-08-17T20:24:48.774-07:002020-08-17T20:24:48.774-07:00I don't know. what was the blog and what was t...I don't know. what was the blog and what was the comment?Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-28595522840154876812020-08-17T13:37:21.576-07:002020-08-17T13:37:21.576-07:00Hi Joe. A "Joe" left a colorful comment...Hi Joe. A "Joe" left a colorful comment on my blog today. Was that you?<br /><br />Gary<br />Escaping Christian FundamentalismGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.com