tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post3599261348319967895..comments2024-03-29T03:30:25.637-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: The Scientistic Counter AttackJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-91041526083501475602017-05-07T14:46:20.705-07:002017-05-07T14:46:20.705-07:00I do not just label everything i can't answer ...I do not just label everything i can't answer as scientiism, I obviousness orient that phrase around verbiage that implies that science is the only vali form of knowledge.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-27987748687203143932017-05-07T14:40:37.286-07:002017-05-07T14:40:37.286-07:00why don't you actually examine the things I sa...why don't you actually examine the things I say about it, I have an obviously clear idea of what it means. I've already defined it and examine the things I say when i make such accusations you will see they always revolve around that idea,ie science is the only valid form of knowledge.<br /><br />Belief in god is not abut mere words on paper it's a way of life, either it works or it does not. I've been doing it for 40 years so it must be working.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-42250550712994690552017-05-06T10:09:44.225-07:002017-05-06T10:09:44.225-07:00One problem with the term "scientism" is...One problem with the term "scientism" is that is is far too often little more than the defensive accusation that "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." That is, it is an accusation of narrow-mindedness. But as such it has far more bark than bite. <br /><br />Here is a particularly ironic case: you can download apps on smartphones and tablets that are alleged to detect ghosts. Suppose I challenge the respectability of such apps by claiming that it makes no sense at all to think that the camera, microphone, or positional capabilities of tablets and smartphones could possibly detect ghosts. But my ghost-believing friend responds that "science doesn't have all the answers to everything, you know". I press on by asking, "well how, exactly, do you think the app manages to detect ghosts, then?" The answer is "I don't know, but how do you know it doesn't really work? Your resistance is based on scientism." At some point, I realize that it is impossible to make headway, because my friend believes with no evidence whatsoever that it is possible that there are ghosts that somehow do something or other that can be detected by the app in a way that "we" don't understand (because we didn't design and create the app).Eric Sotnakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06162425851889399481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-78763846827458087802017-05-03T23:06:53.631-07:002017-05-03T23:06:53.631-07:00this exchange was on CADRE blog but it's about...this exchange was on CADRE blog but it's about this essay over here,I advertised it on CADRE.<br /><br /><br />im-skeptical said...<br />Religionism is the understanding that God is the only valid form of knowledge .<br /><br /><b>you think scientism i a term made up by <br />christian apologists in the last couple of years don't you? I am the one who started using the term in the context of internet apologetic, I think I am responsible for a bunch of people using it who don't know what it means. It is an old term it was not invented by apologists.My brother was using that term in the mid 1970s that's when I learned it,who I learned it from. He was not a Christian at that time he was an atheist,I was too. I can show you the term in use in a 1964 issue of bulletin of atomic scientists.<br /><br />trying make up a term like religiomnists is silly there is a term already for that; the religious analogue to scientism, it;s called "fundamentalism."</b> <br /><br /><br /> It's an ideology and permeates real religious circles. <br /><br /><b>yes but I'm not part of it,</b><br /><br /><br />When thinkers whose understanding is colored by this ideology their defense of religion against valid ordinary critique is ideological and programmed, We can always spot this kind of thinking immediately because they invulnerably see any valid criticism as an attack upon the very notion of religion, This tendency to think of religion as some fragile sacred truth that dare not be questioned is emblematic of ideological reverence ...<br /><br /><b>that is probably true, you didn't actually apply it to showing how it disperses what I said,</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.com