tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post3185069147944391388..comments2024-03-28T15:31:02.860-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Tillich and Personal God part 2Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-9177613207949737512017-10-04T14:21:53.017-07:002017-10-04T14:21:53.017-07:00Knowledge by identity, maybe the 'deepest'...Knowledge by identity, maybe the 'deepest' kind of knowledge.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-20463652984938901152017-10-04T11:47:59.975-07:002017-10-04T11:47:59.975-07:00Joe: "can't God understand conditions fro...Joe: "can't God understand conditions from which he does not suffer? couldn't he feel what we feel without being us? "<br /><br />"Understand" is an ambiguous word. To really understand our condition in an experiential way would mean to not know the future, to be anxious about it. The future would have to be truly "open" in a way that being outside of time would seem to preclude. Even if God in his totality is 'outside ' of time in some sense, it seems that there'd have to be an aspect of him that's not.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-65099487802811394332017-10-03T21:00:41.687-07:002017-10-03T21:00:41.687-07:00what do you mean by personality? i see personality...<i> what do you mean by personality? i see personality as separate from personal</i><br /><br />Maybe identity? Are we who we think we are?<br /><br />I agree personal can be different & even from identityMike Gerowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630695728013930638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-71903415594665827812017-10-03T14:31:33.518-07:002017-10-03T14:31:33.518-07:00I can;t know what it is like to be God. I would li...I can;t know what it is like to be God. I would like to think I can;t know what it is like to be God. I would like to think <br /><br />Then God has a consequent nature.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-61350457985502070672017-10-03T14:08:51.503-07:002017-10-03T14:08:51.503-07:00I bet Trump thinks hes GodI bet Trump thinks hes GodJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-36378348260953393752017-10-03T14:07:40.344-07:002017-10-03T14:07:40.344-07:007th Stooge said...
And I guess that Joe would main...7th Stooge said...<br />And I guess that Joe would maintain that God's love isn't love experienced by God as an emotion the way we experience it but an aspect of his eternal purpose. I don't see why they're mutually exclusive.<br /><br />1:15 PM Delete<br /><br /><b>I can;t know what it is like to be God. I would like to think <br />god can experience all we experience and understand it since he is universal mind,</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-74725589572611134232017-10-03T14:05:20.852-07:002017-10-03T14:05:20.852-07:007th Stooge said...
I think that personality or bei...7th Stooge said...<br />I think that personality or being personal would require a 'pour soir' (consciousness) as well as a characteristic cluster of traits having to do with emotions and the will.<br />But God having emotions in anything comparable to human emotios would suggest something like a consequent nature in God. God having emotional successive states would be a case of us metaphorizing God, at least according to Joe. But then how can GOd really identify with us since we are constituted by these states? If he knows all, then he'd know emotions in time in an epxeriential sense, so he would have a consequent nature. What do you think? Nah, it's all a bunch of sh*! :)<br /><br /><b>7 Mike does not know Jeff, hes going to think you really mean it's shit,<br /><br />can't God understand conditions from which he does not suffer? couldn't he feel what we feel without being us? </b><br /><br /><br />Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-32671062477900301212017-10-03T14:01:17.829-07:002017-10-03T14:01:17.829-07:00Mike Gerow said...
I wonder if "pour soir&quo...Mike Gerow said...<br />I wonder if "pour soir" implies personality exactly? <br /><br />Large parts, at least, & probably even the majority of what we consider to be "ourselves" - our personalities - can likely be better understood as "persona", socially, linguistically and historically constructed "masks" that we wear.<br /><br /><br /><b>what do you mean by personality? i see personality as separate from personal</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-88951226201431828152017-10-03T13:15:29.235-07:002017-10-03T13:15:29.235-07:00And I guess that Joe would maintain that God's...And I guess that Joe would maintain that God's love isn't love experienced by God as an emotion the way we experience it but an aspect of his eternal purpose. I don't see why they're mutually exclusive.7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-9275601633833392252017-10-03T12:52:53.070-07:002017-10-03T12:52:53.070-07:00I think that personality or being personal would r...I think that personality or being personal would require a 'pour soir' (consciousness) as well as a characteristic cluster of traits having to do with emotions and the will.<br />But God having emotions in anything comparable to human emotios would suggest something like a consequent nature in God. God having emotional successive states would be a case of us metaphorizing God, at least according to Joe. But then how can GOd really identify with us since we are constituted by these states? If he knows all, then he'd know emotions in time in an epxeriential sense, so he would have a consequent nature. What do you think? Nah, it's all a bunch of sh*! :)7th Stoogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527850994226457613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-86917396217717106892017-10-02T07:40:06.171-07:002017-10-02T07:40:06.171-07:00I wonder if "pour soir" implies personal...I wonder if "pour soir" implies personality exactly? <br /><br />Large parts, at least, & probably even the majority of what we consider to be "ourselves" - our personalities - can likely be better understood as "persona", socially, linguistically and historically constructed "masks" that we wear.<br /><br />Do you think so? <br />Mike Gerowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630695728013930638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-71220051966795932112017-10-02T07:33:45.164-07:002017-10-02T07:33:45.164-07:00🏇Perhaps the major reason, however, to understand...🏇<i>Perhaps the major reason, however, to understand God as “personal” is because most mystics experience God in this way. </i><br /><br />What about the large number of Mystics outside the monotheistic traditions with personal Gods? <br /><br /><br />... & my own most profound mystical experience, I wouldn't exactly describe as "personal" ....more like "transpersonal"....Mike Gerowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630695728013930638noreply@blogger.com