tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post2919830887110661573..comments2024-03-28T15:31:02.860-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Atehist Fear of the Ancinet world.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-79250185642751691432009-09-23T09:33:12.171-07:002009-09-23T09:33:12.171-07:00TouchéTouchéMike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-70349777248180266822009-09-23T08:56:38.352-07:002009-09-23T08:56:38.352-07:00my bp is great because I eat Yogurt and drink V8.my bp is great because I eat Yogurt and drink V8.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-31849510537959005352009-09-23T08:18:15.609-07:002009-09-23T08:18:15.609-07:00No, I mean make it so you can't even view CARM...No, I mean make it so you can't even view CARM. Just think how much better your blood pressure would be. ;-)Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-34620846812078248902009-09-23T08:15:44.097-07:002009-09-23T08:15:44.097-07:00It's already blocked. Those over sensitive ath...It's already blocked. Those over sensitive atheists just couldn't stand being called sacks of ****. I don't know why. (that's a joke I didn't really call them that).Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-35796393049920293302009-09-23T08:08:34.443-07:002009-09-23T08:08:34.443-07:00I really need to hack into your computer, Joe, and...I really need to hack into your computer, Joe, and block your access to CARM. ;-)Mike aka MonolithTMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385705390882035829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-39082324745834044132009-09-23T07:09:02.307-07:002009-09-23T07:09:02.307-07:00Criticizing ancients does not imply they were stup...Criticizing ancients does not imply they were stupid. It implies that they didn't know as much as we do today. Just as my daughter asking me for help with her algebra doesn't mean she's stupid.<br /><br /><br /><b>Meta:>>>It's obviously more than that because some atheists have said "you want to be like them." It's a clear disdain for them because they were pre scietnific. that's basically been stated to me any number of ways.<br /><br />They didn'thave to know things about areas that are not realted to revelation. how much did they have to know to get a revelation from God? God revealed thigns to whom he will, why do they have to know about computers and modern science.<br /><br />little unsophisticated illliterate atheists can only value things like that. They have no concept of art or literature. So there's the Bible, one of the greatest literary collections of all time and they have no better sense to to mock and ridicule it because of some stupid straw man argument that they taut because they are too stupid, uneducated and unread to understand the value of ancinet literature.<br /><br />atheism = scientism. Whoever said that the nature of atheism is the absence of a belief was a liar. Atheism is a religion it's god is its own half backed made up er zots version of science.<br /><br /><br />atheists don't know anything about scinece but they worship what they think is scinece.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-62453553116157568242009-09-23T07:04:27.950-07:002009-09-23T07:04:27.950-07:00Ah, Metacrock, just can't seem to find the poi...Ah, Metacrock, just can't seem to find the point if someone thrust it through your heart.<br /><br />We are making a point that Christians take the writers of the New Testaments and turn them into paragons of virtues that they weren't. Regardless what the Catholic Church has to say about, Paul was a human being with all the foibles that humans have. <br /><br /><b>Meta:>>>> The issue has nothing at all to do with the nature of individual writers. Almost all Christian scholars agree that Biblical authors were flawed. That's a reining endorsement for the Bible; we are all sinners saved by grace.<br /><br />the failure of atheists to understand this speaks volumes. And btw Paul was not bronze age, do you not understand that? The issue is how atheists make a point of degrading and mocking the fact of ancinet people. Ancient people were stupid and the fact that they were ancinet seems to be a big deal to them.</b><br /><br /><br /><br />That the Church developed a propaganda program that turned the imperfect saintly is irrelevant. How convenient for you (that you have trouble understanding irony).<br /><br /><br /><b>Meta:>>> I am not Catholic so I really don't know exactly what the line on sainthood is. I can only speak for myself as a Protestant, and you don't understand Protestantism. The point is not that Paul was perfect, it's that he had he authority. HE was also a little thing called an "Apostles" which id kind of like a saint, the guy said "a saint or something."</b><br /><br />In this naive view, the gospel writers wouldn't put in tall tales or exaggerations. They couldn't written the fabrications that were added in later to give the<br />story some jazz, all to help grind that ax of theirs.<br /><br /><br /><b>Meta:>>>that's totally irrelevant. when have I ever denied that the text could be embellished, that is not any kind of proof of out and out lies. That is something you must prove, that is not something you can just assert.</b><br /><br />So, somehow you seem to believe that people promoting their 2000 years ago religious views wouldn't tell even the smallest of lies. You sound awfully fundamental Yet us moderns lie, exaggeration,and make stuff up all the time. Were the ancients so much better? Reading the story of David ought to quash that notion.<br /><br /><b>Meta:>>> You didn't read my comments did you? You are so confused you just reaffirmed what I said about atheist chronocentrism and yet by the end of this comment you will be questioning the phenomenon as though there's no proof for it, even though you just gave me some more proof of it.</b><br /><br />Can't have it both ways, Metacrock. Either we all tend to embellish, even the apostles, or we are all truth-tellers. Since the latter is obviously false, it would appear the New Testament writers can't be trusted to tell the truth. Not saying all of it is false, and most scholars agree that much of it is.<br /><br /><b>Meta:>>> typical atheist logic, since everyone embellishes then they Apostles must have lied. O that's brilliant. Typical atheist inability to reason.</b><br /><br />So stop avoiding the question, Metacrock. Pointing to irrelevancies isn't going to save your argument. Not when it is this badly flawed.<br /><br /><br /><b>Meta:>>>that never was the question you don't know what the piece was about.</b><br /><br />And, also, if your going to accuse people of claiming that the ancients were stupid, you really should provide some evidence to back it up.<br /><br /><br /><b>Meta:>>>>You mean like their words? mabye?hummm? Ok how about these:</b><br /><br /><br />"So, somehow you seem to believe that people promoting their 2000 years ago religious views wouldn't tell even the smallest of lies. You sound awfully fundamental Yet us moderns lie, exaggeration,and make stuff up all the time. Were the ancients so much better? Reading the story of David ought to quash that notion."Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-72977013286212876122009-09-22T22:35:23.676-07:002009-09-22T22:35:23.676-07:00Ah, Metacrock, just can't seem to find the poi...Ah, Metacrock, just can't seem to find the point if someone thrust it through your heart.<br /><br />We are making a point that Christians take the writers of the New Testaments and turn them into paragons of virtues that they weren't. Regardless what the Catholic Church has to say about, Paul was a human being with all the foibles that humans have. That the Church developed a propaganda program that turned the imperfect saintly is irrelevant. How convenient for you (that you have trouble understanding irony).<br /><br />In this naive view, the gospel writers wouldn't put in tall tales or exaggerations. They couldn't written the fabrications that were added in later to give the<br />story some jazz, all to help grind that ax of theirs.<br /><br />So, somehow you seem to believe that people promoting their 2000 years ago religious views wouldn't tell even the smallest of lies. You sound awfully fundamental Yet us moderns lie, exaggeration,and make stuff up all the time. Were the ancients so much better? Reading the story of David ought to quash that notion.<br /><br />Can't have it both ways, Metacrock. Either we all tend to embellish, even the apostles, or we are all truth-tellers. Since the latter is obviously false, it would appear the New Testament writers can't be trusted to tell the truth. Not saying all of it is false, and most scholars agree that much of it is.<br /><br />So stop avoiding the question, Metacrock. Pointing to irrelevancies isn't going to save your argument. Not when it is this badly flawed.<br /><br />And, also, if your going to accuse people of claiming that the ancients were stupid, you really should provide some evidence to back it up. What you've provided is simply bad inferences. Criticizing ancients does not imply they were stupid. It implies that they didn't know as much as we do today. Just as my daughter asking me for help with her algebra doesn't mean she's stupid.<br /><br />But I know this: finding inferences that do not exist in another's writing is either a sign of stupidity or hubris. And it really makes you look bad.dmcdermnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-24590547497776234392009-09-20T18:40:53.368-07:002009-09-20T18:40:53.368-07:00i have not avoided any question.
why would expect...i have not avoided any question.<br /><br />why would expect me to view Paul in a negative way> you act like it's a foregone conclusion and like you don't what saints are.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-53035101745750579682009-09-20T18:36:38.218-07:002009-09-20T18:36:38.218-07:00Good grief, Metacrock, when are you going to learn...Good grief, Metacrock, when are you going to learn some basic reading comprehension skills? No one said that ancient people were stupid or didn't contribute anything positive to human development. We wouldn't be here if they didn't.<br /><br /><b>>>>that is exactly what they are saying. Odd you can't figure that out.</b><br /><br />The question is why do some Christians act as if ancient people never told lies. Or exaggerated. Or made up stories. Or slanted things to make their point of view look better. <br /><br /><b>>>>they don't. christian acceptance of the bible ha nothing do with the bronze age. If the Bible was written in 1840 Christians would be saying it's the word of God, and atheists would be saying "people were so primitive in 1840." So it really has nothing to do with that--accept atheists think they can make a cheap score by bad mouthing primitive people. But it's really the genetic fallacy.</b><br /><br /><br />Look at your post before this one, where you quote Paul unquestioningly and at length as if he were some kind of saint or something (oh, wait, I suppose the Catholic church thinks he is).<br /><br /><b>ahahahaahahhaha as if he where some kidn of aint O quote Paul as if he were some kind of saint ahahaha. thanks man. I was looking for a new stupid atheist tricks.</b><br /><br />Thing is, Metacrock, you've got to tighten up your criticisms. When a relevant question is asked, and you avoid the question as obviously as you do here, it makes you look bad.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-78946472143169002842009-09-20T18:25:01.378-07:002009-09-20T18:25:01.378-07:00good job Jay, good pointsgood job Jay, good pointsJoseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-27351720799206712062009-09-20T14:05:40.852-07:002009-09-20T14:05:40.852-07:00Note this person could not even get the facts stra...Note this person could not even get the facts straight. The Bronze Age ended around 1200 BC. Most of the events in the Bible happened after the Bronze Age.Jaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844619464733681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-10064707565363040632009-09-20T13:14:38.178-07:002009-09-20T13:14:38.178-07:00Good grief, Metacrock, when are you going to learn...Good grief, Metacrock, when are you going to learn some basic reading comprehension skills? No one said that ancient people were stupid or didn't contribute anything positive to human development. We wouldn't be here if they didn't.<br /><br />The question is why do some Christians act as if ancient people never told lies. Or exaggerated. Or made up stories. Or slanted things to make their point of view look better. Look at your post before this one, where you quote Paul unquestioningly and at length as if he were some kind of saint or something (oh, wait, I suppose the Catholic church thinks he is).<br /><br />Thing is, Metacrock, you've got to tighten up your criticisms. When a relevant question is asked, and you avoid the question as obviously as you do here, it makes you look bad.dmcdermnoreply@blogger.com