tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post2200340380119997204..comments2024-03-28T00:48:19.961-07:00Comments on Metacrock's Blog: Christmas and The Crucified God Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)http://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-5857828627370589142013-12-29T06:14:19.989-08:002013-12-29T06:14:19.989-08:00Yes, wow what you said! I like it. Thanks man.Yes, wow what you said! I like it. Thanks man.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-76990865189130174452013-12-28T21:25:03.776-08:002013-12-28T21:25:03.776-08:00That's fine.
While reading your blogs, you ex...That's fine.<br /><br />While reading your blogs, you expose really quick and valuable information for the rest of the people who are interested, like me, that have reinforced a rational defense of a belief in God after losing it, even with the big "contingency barriers" we have, as we human beings are not boundless in our physical status.<br /><br />The more knowledge we have about God, the more we are tolerant with other religions and faiths. It implicitly becomes clear what are the real core teachings of religions that spread the truth. Trascendence of the fixation on only human traits is key.<br /><br />Kind Regards.yonosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853519252063461784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-81855975253400389022013-12-28T11:39:53.085-08:002013-12-28T11:39:53.085-08:00Yonose thanks for your comments. I'm just enjo...Yonose thanks for your comments. I'm just enjoying being off on break. I'm not having a hard time answering I just don't want to have to blog every day. I'm relaxing and hwen I'm through relaxing (working on other things) then I'll get to the answer.<br /><br />I agree with what yous and I appreciate your comments.<br /><br />sorry if I'm talking a long time. I run of out steam now becuase I've done it so long.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-67121774413155276022013-12-28T11:30:07.510-08:002013-12-28T11:30:07.510-08:00Meta,
My apologies for this thread hijacking.
An...Meta,<br /><br />My apologies for this thread hijacking.<br /><br />Anon has some valid concerns regarding atonement as you mentioned before, but I see, like you, an obvious a big flaw with her/his reasoning:<br /><br />The typical black or white approach. Or the Bible has to be completely allegorical, or has to be completely literal.<br /><br />That is obviously nonsensical. Neither philosophy, or science, or even engineering, for that matter, works like that.<br /><br />I don't blame her/him, the problem is the schemes that secular and religious cults do with vulnerable people.<br /><br />The selective view of language and contextualization, and the simultaneous denial of a knowledge claim is one of the hallmarks of ideology.<br /><br />Happy Holidays (Yeah, Merry Christmas) and Kind Regards.yonosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853519252063461784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-12349779464092354702013-12-20T05:35:28.559-08:002013-12-20T05:35:28.559-08:00What I said still goes. Check after new years I...What I said still goes. Check after new years I'm going to use this material in main blog spots.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-34777144533512313982013-12-19T11:16:14.181-08:002013-12-19T11:16:14.181-08:00I've actually read you for several years now w...I've actually read you for several years now without really getting involved in discussions. Your essay on believing in hell makes the situation a bit milder - perhaps making a god seem less consciously evil - but it's still the inevitable situation of a mechanic that is designed to fail. Leaning on free will as the reason for the unbalanced system doesn't appeal to my senses either. If the Bible's mythology is to be seen as even somewhat representative of reality, then there are obviously quite a few beings operating in this god's schema who are able to operate with free will without such dire consequence in place.<br /><br />I will admit that having read you for a while now I do get confused about a particular thing - most of your theology seems to be based around a more nebulous, all-encompassing, almost deist view of god (vs the big man in the sky) and metaphysical transitions that are only hinted at in the Bible narrative, which you normally regard as allegory and mythology. Yet at one point or another, you will make a statement that implies a commitment to the Bible as a literal document demanding worship, water baptism, sinner's prayer, etc. If you hit a slow point in your writing next year I would love to see an explanation of how you marry these concepts. For me, if you don't accept that there was a literal ark of every animal on earth riding the flood waters past Everest, I don't understand how you believe that you literally need to be dunked in water and repeat a litany to be metaphysically transformed into a higher form of being. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-19180817528967181452013-12-19T05:46:39.532-08:002013-12-19T05:46:39.532-08:00Thanks Anon. I appreciate your comment. That's...Thanks Anon. I appreciate your comment. That's a fairly common concern, although an important one. There's a lot to say in answering it. It's giving me some good food for thought to take up again when I get from my break after new years.<br /><br />tentatively I will just say this: first, I don't believe in hell. I have a four page essay about why the Bible doesn't really teach eternal conscious torment; secondly, the idea of a fall is not a specific time in history but the coming of age process in all our lives. It's like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly. You might think it's some horrible transformation but its part of the scheme and it not as imperiling as it seems.<br /><br />there are those who turn enmity against God and that's the real tragedy. yet they are doing doing to themselves because they choose not listen.<br /> <br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.doxa.ws/Theology/hell.html" rel="nofollow"><b>why I don't believe in hell</b></a><br /><br />I hope you will read the blog again after New Years to see what more I find to say about it.<br />Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11516215.post-15273316842379023132013-12-18T12:53:59.926-08:002013-12-18T12:53:59.926-08:00I do appreciate your education and willingness rec...I do appreciate your education and willingness recognize strengths/weaknesses within Christian theology. I also appreciate the uniqueness of your personal thoughts on atonement. However, I personally can't see how any of these explanations reinforce the idea of a just or loving god. <br /><br />No matter how you choose to pitch it, I see Christianity promoting a system in which a god has designed a system in which every participant will fail. A person born, being sinful by nature is already on an inevitable road to destruction. The only rescue from said situation is via the same god that put us on this path to begin with.<br /><br />To me, the imagery is of god placing you on a raft in a swiftly moving stream that's headed toward a deadly waterfall which will not come into view until it is too late to change course. If we realize our predicament ahead of time and cry out for help, has god really saved us, given that he put us into the stream in the first place? And if we're too ignorant, or too distracted or just misinformed and go over that waterfall, is that god not still to blame for our destruction?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com